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Old 08-01-2005, 11:26 AM
Rev. Good Will Rev. Good Will is offline
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I was in the process of moving up to 2/4 when i had to get my car fixed, and someother expenses so I had to clear out my BR down to 300BB of .5/1

its been alright so far only about 1000hands, +35BB .. but I don't feel I've been playing good poker

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2/4? weren't you playing 3/6 6max?
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Old 08-01-2005, 11:45 AM
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2004: Started with 50 bucks in January. Feburary...gone. 50 more in March....gone in April. 50 more in May...gone in August. Hey I made it more than one month. Bought some books and started studying. September, signed up with Pacific and got a free $10. Ran it up to $100 at the nanos. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Almost even.

2005: Won $2.50 MTT at pacific for a whopping $256. Out of the red now. I've learned a lot from my studying and this board, so I decide to start whoring. Feburary: $100 at paradise for the granny bonus(I know, not enough, but a start). 6bb/100 at .10/.20 for 6K hands, 4.5bb/100 at .25/.50 for 12K hands, and I'm off to party and skins, and Absolute, and cryptos, and prima skins, and a few casino bonuses.

I'd like to start playing 2/4 now. Just need to plug some leaks in my 4th and 5th street game. I'm a lot more confident in my pokering, but still have a lot to go.

My goal is to beat 2/4 in 12 months (Aug 2006) for at least 2.5bb/100.
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Old 08-01-2005, 12:23 PM
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My story's a lot like yours. I probably lost 5 $50 deposits at Party last year. Got serious in January, 'starting over' at Paradise for $100 playing .25/.5, then .5/1, then 1/2, and now 2/4.
2/4 has greeted me with a 75 BB downswing after 3k hands. Some veterans wouldn't even consider that a downswing, but the real $ value kina means a lot to me, and I'm pissed off about dropping $300 like it's nothing even though I still have 325BB's in my B/R. I get easily frustrated when every session I'm either a marginal winner at a tight table, or a big loser at a juicy table full of fish that my cards will not let me take advantage of. Yeah it's a ridiculously small sample size, but I don't have that much time to play, and who is to say those same fish will be there for me to take their $ when I'm not running bad 50k hands from now?

Am I paranoid? I don't know why I'm so impatient about getting to 3/6 and 5/10. I have to remind myself it was only a few short months ago that I considered 2/4 to be the promise land, and I'm there now. My goal by the end of the year is to be beating 2/4 enough so that I can withdrawl enough to take a vacation and still have a comfortable B/R for the game.
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Old 08-01-2005, 01:29 PM
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I love it when this thread gets bumped.

I didn't realize that it was all the way back in March when I posted these goals. It seems more recent.

Let's see...

Goals:

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To not get scared and cash it all out.

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Check. I've cashed out a bunch but still have more than enough bankroll for the current limit. I'm not scared.


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To build the bankroll so I can make the jump to 2/4.

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Check. Sweet. 12-15k hands in and I'm better than 1.5 bb/100. I can do better than that but at this early stage a $100 win or loss can move the bb/100 number dramatically. I just took a loss. I can stay at 2/4.


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To stay at 1/2 and even maybe drop back down to 0.5/1 while working on my game.

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Check. Never had to drop back down.


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To plug some leaks so the jump to the next level is appropriate to my skill level.

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One of the things I did to plug some leaks and to work on my game was to start playing some 6-max. I've played quite a bit now and I have a definite love-hate relationship with the game. There is no middle ground. Either I love it (huge wins) or hate it (huge losses). I rarely have a night where I post a modest win or a modest loss. However, I have learned a lot about hand value and have benefitted greatly from the discipline it takes to stay out of trouble at 6-max. I have also found the edge of my comfort limit in terms of the aggresion I can play effectively against. The concrete goal here then would be to push that edge out farther while not getting lost in a hand.


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To learn NL. Or not.

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Not. I have a hard time justifying moving to nanolimits to learn a game while what I'm playing remains interesting and profitable. There are only so many hours in a day.



New Goals:

Get a handle on 6-max aggression. I'm actually doing rather well, but my PokerTracker sample size isn't large enough to answer the critical question in the more aggressive game. I guess the concrete goal then is to stick with it until I can answer that question. I can beat hell out of a loose passive 6-max game, but they don't stay that way as you move up.

I had made it a goal to stick with Party and Skins 2/4 until I felt comfortable making the leap to 3/6. Just when I was feeling ready, Party introduced the 3/6 6-max and squeezed the juice out of the full games. Now I'm not so sure. I want to move up so that remains a goal. It may just be at 6-max instead of full ring 3/6.

Bonus Whore more effectively. I already won't play if there's no bonus in it but at the same time, I haven't diversified to all that many of the newer sites. I have accounts at all the Party skins including Eurobet, although damned if I know how to actually log in and fund the account. I also play UB, Stars, Cryptos, and Pokerroom. I haven't yet tried Absolute, Prima and skins, etc. I have started a little casino whoring (especially to get around that heinous Interpoker raked hand requirement). What's the concrete goal here? I guess to maximize my bonus opportunities while working on my game so that I can play whatever limit it takes to get the most from each bonus.

Build a pair of really high-end full-range loudspeakers. One of the main reasons I play poker is that I win money. Money exists so I can buy stuff. I listen to jazz while I'm playing and I have a really nice two channel rig that I built (that's right, pre-amp, amp and speakers; built 'em myself). I'm happy enough with the pre-amp and the amp is solid. I am also pretty satisfied with the speakers, but I know there are better drivers out there and I want them. I can't justify getting a different pre-amp until I have speakers that will be able to show off the difference. Hence, the goal. With poker money, of course.
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Old 08-01-2005, 02:51 PM
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2/4 is where I am trying to play also. Any good suggestions. My hardest part is dealing with losing twice the amount than at 1/2. It seems to keep me from playing it, even though I'm sure I can beat it.

Right now I play 3 tables of 1/2 6max and I mix in one table of 2/4. Feels safer that way. I guess the best advice it to run hot for the first 10k hands and get comfrontable [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 08-01-2005, 04:03 PM
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Most of the problems associated with initial losses at a new limit have to do with the idea that we're winning players and should be able to beat it. That confidence seems necessary when we move up, and yet it kicks us hard when we run into some trouble.

I've found it useful to take a different approach. I move up when I know I'm comfortable fully committing myself to it. That means:

a) a set amount I have to lose before I'm allowed to consider moving down -- the cost of learning + a tangible representation of my commitment. "You're not going anywhere, so figure it out."

b) approaching things without expectations re. winrate and such -- it's not about achieving a foregone conclusion or proving my ability, it's about learning how to play the new game. from scratch. every day I don't have to move back down is a good one, regardless of how I do.

I always find that the angst comes from a clash between where I am and where I think I should be. It's a feeling that I deserve better somehow. That I should be more skillful by now. That all my hard work has to count for something. That everyone else seems to be able to do it, so why can't I?

It's all shite. We're exactly where we deserve to be, right this minute. No, that doesn't mean that you suck because you're getting your ass handed to you, or that your godlike winrate is proof of what you've always suspected... just that the tendency we have to wilfully ignore the fluidity of "now" is by far the biggest leak of most studious micro/ss players.

All we can do is try to make each decision a little better than the last one. To get up when we stumble. To bring the best of ourselves to the table as often as possible.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the only important thing is that you can afford to keep playing your chosen limit. Unless things change in this regard, you're perfectly fine. It's ok to suspend or abort your move because you feel like you have more to learn, or are uncomfortable with the swings or dollar figures or new table names for that matter. It's also fine to split your play between limits. Do what you need to do.

The point I'm trying to make is very simple. Success in poker is being able to afford to keep playing. As long as you're still in the game, everything is possible.

Best of luck in your transitions, and happy pokering to all.
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Old 08-01-2005, 04:57 PM
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Have found a lot of excuses in the last few months not to play.

Some good: A trip to another province to help a relative buy a house. Sunshine. Sanity breaks.

Some sort of good: Getting out a bit more (sometimes). Spending (a little) more time with other people.

Some probably bad: Writing long winded replies (and actually posting some of them).

Some bad: Getting drunk and playing video games. Moving straight from morning (err... afternoon) 2+2ing to couch + beer and missing the in between 'actually playing poker' bit.

I'm currently in the process of trying to get back to a reasonable number of hands/month. Decided to work on this at a limit I'm comfortable with (2/4). My game also seems to have changed a hell of a lot since I last put in any significant play, which is kind of interesting and necessitates some adjustment + tuning.

Short term goals involve slipping back into the daily grind with the additions of regular exercise (running, which I'm a week into and it's starting to suck a little less) and regular eating (I love food, grocery shopping, cooking... but am very good at subsisting on what is essentially a Survivor diet for insanely long periods of time).

So for now I'm the erratic "what the hell was he thinking?" guy at your 2/4 table. I hope you all enjoy my chips.
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:43 PM
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On Dec 27th 2004, I decided to try online poker. I played the play money NL games at this one site for a week and decided to deposit at Paradise Poker after researching which sites were good. I deposited $200 and sat down at 2/4 limit hold'em [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] and thought since casinos lowest limit is 2/4 then I should be playing 2/4 also, anything lower is for suckers. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Well I forgot how many hours it took, but eventually my $200 was gone. I then deposited another $300 and started playing only in multi-table and SNG tournaments, because I felt that limit holdíem can't be beat. I started with $5 SNG and after having some success I jumped quickly to $20 SNGs (<-- big mistake), by Mid January I was down to $25. Thatís when I found 2+2 and bought HPFAP, TOP, and SSHE. I was mainly lurking on this site and only until recently I started posting more.

I read advice on here to bonus whore and build your Bankroll starting from micro limits, so thatís what I did. Right now I have $800 bankroll not including the bonus money earned.
So my goals are:
- Play 1/2 full ring until I have 300 BB for 2/4
- Then after 10k hands at 2/4, play 1/2 6-max until I feel comfortable at it and am beating it.
- Then when my bankroll is big enough, play 3/6.
- Then 5/10.
- Also start playing in more live games and live tournaments.
- win my first multi-table tournament.

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Ended up playing only 5k hands of 2/4 online in July. Played in live games more, had a nice little 54BB downswing playing 4/8 last night in a 8 hour session. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
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Old 08-01-2005, 11:23 PM
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1. Respond to lots of threads started by others. Start some threads about some of my hands too. One look at my post count will tell you that didn't happen. I have taken far too much from this forum and given nothing in return. I suck.

2. Take some shots at $1/2. Move there full time eventually. 3.5 bb/100 after 12K hands. I'm planning on spending most of my time at 1/2 until I hit 20 or 25K hands.

3. Work on my 6 max game. I'm down a little bit over 5K hands. I've got a long way to go here.

4. Get a bigger monitor so that I can play more than 2 tables without severe overlap issues. Still haven't done that. However, I think that only playing 2 tables has been helpful in my development as a player.

5. Be working on a move to $2/4 by the end of the year. I'm way over-bankrolled for 1/2, but someone smarter than me once said that your bankroll grows faster than your experience. I've taken some shots here and there, but I'm not in a big hurry to get to 2/4. I will be there before the end of the year though...

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A couple of other thinks I should do:

--Get a better handle on my state of mind at the table. My play tends to deteriorate when things go very well or very bad. I also tend to let my ego get in the way at times and call down when I know I'm beaten.

--Take a look at King Yao's book.

Overall, I'm happy that I've come such a long way since I started lurking here, but I've still got quite a long way to go before I will consider myself a "good player."
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Old 08-02-2005, 09:33 AM
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Most of the problems associated with initial losses at a new limit have to do with the idea that we're winning players and should be able to beat it. That confidence seems necessary when we move up, and yet it kicks us hard when we run into some trouble.

I've found it useful to take a different approach. I move up when I know I'm comfortable fully committing myself to it. That means:

a) a set amount I have to lose before I'm allowed to consider moving down -- the cost of learning + a tangible representation of my commitment. "You're not going anywhere, so figure it out."

b) approaching things without expectations re. winrate and such -- it's not about achieving a foregone conclusion or proving my ability, it's about learning how to play the new game. from scratch. every day I don't have to move back down is a good one, regardless of how I do.

I always find that the angst comes from a clash between where I am and where I think I should be. It's a feeling that I deserve better somehow. That I should be more skillful by now. That all my hard work has to count for something. That everyone else seems to be able to do it, so why can't I?

It's all shite. We're exactly where we deserve to be, right this minute. No, that doesn't mean that you suck because you're getting your ass handed to you, or that your godlike winrate is proof of what you've always suspected... just that the tendency we have to wilfully ignore the fluidity of "now" is by far the biggest leak of most studious micro/ss players.

All we can do is try to make each decision a little better than the last one. To get up when we stumble. To bring the best of ourselves to the table as often as possible.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the only important thing is that you can afford to keep playing your chosen limit. Unless things change in this regard, you're perfectly fine. It's ok to suspend or abort your move because you feel like you have more to learn, or are uncomfortable with the swings or dollar figures or new table names for that matter. It's also fine to split your play between limits. Do what you need to do.

The point I'm trying to make is very simple. Success in poker is being able to afford to keep playing. As long as you're still in the game, everything is possible.

Best of luck in your transitions, and happy pokering to all.

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thanks for the post and encouragement. I agree as long as I don't lose my roll, I can always go back to 1/2 6max and make it back. I guess the hardest part is adjusting to the difference between a 100BB loss as $400 instead of $200. Hopefully once I get past the mental part of it it becomes easier.
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