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Old 04-06-2005, 11:41 AM
gumpzilla gumpzilla is offline
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Default Re: $20+2: A call I normally avoid (TPTK)

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It's difficult to get away from your AK TPTK here but you should, being called with a holding K8, K2 or 82 is likely in a 20$ game.

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People overplaying worse Ks or pushing a flush draw are even more likely. 4 hands in, if I've never played with this opponent before, I'm not folding this in an online $20+2.
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Old 04-06-2005, 11:44 AM
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP2 (t540)
MP3 (t785)
CO (t1035)
Button (t285)
SB (t770)
BB (t1140)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t670)
Hero (t800)
MP1 (t1175)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, MP1 calls t60, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls t45.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero bets 125, MP1 raises all-in, Hero calls.


It was the 4th hand of the tournament. I'm pondering the idea of making these loose calls on Level 1 -- but not 2 or 3 with a lot of players still in -- to take advantage of the early game fish factor.

By making this play am I just effectively being a fish and swimming Logic River upstream right there with them? Or have I been losing money by folding in this situation on Level 1?

I think that the buy-in price is the biggest factor but I could just be on crack and in dire need of intervention and Jebus.

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I'd call this in the 20s about every time. If he has a set, then well he got me. Its going to be a flush draw here most of the time IMO so call and hope he doesn't have Kxs for the 3 extra outs.
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Old 04-06-2005, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: $20+2: A call I normally avoid (TPTK)

I call this pretty much every time and expect to see a K that I have outkicked or a flush draw at least 65% of the time.
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Old 04-06-2005, 12:50 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: $20+2: A call I normally avoid (TPTK)

See, this is why I wanted this forum to focus on postflop play. There are two situations when you should fold here at any limit: if your Internet connection dies, or if you click the wrong button.

Even in the $200's you'll be shown KQ or AQs more than enough times to autocall.
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Old 04-06-2005, 01:59 PM
The Yugoslavian The Yugoslavian is offline
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Default Re: $20+2: A call I normally avoid (TPTK)

You generally avoid this call?

You do know this is how aggressive monkeys play their marginal hands (KJ, KT, draws, etc) and not their monsters, don't you?

I say two pair is the only thing I wouldn't be very surprised to see that beats you here. Of course, if he's calling you pre-flop with K8 or K2 or 82 you'll get his money on a lot of other flops where he's screwed.

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Old 04-06-2005, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: $20+2: A call I normally avoid (TPTK)

Case in point I pick up KK (EP) in first level of a Stars 25 turbo this morning, board is J-7-3 rainbow. Raise it up to 80 (blinds 10/20), called 4 ways. Check into the field, MP pots it ~300, CO goes all in, button calls all in; MP joins the party after I fold.

MP shows Q7o
CO shows AJs
Button shows J10o

I make the call in a heartbeat with a draw on the board, but I have to think it's +EV to get involved even on drawless boards in the low buyins.
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Old 04-06-2005, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: $20+2: A call I normally avoid (TPTK)

If you don't want to put all your chips in with that flop then don't play the hand to begin with!
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Old 04-06-2005, 05:34 PM
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Default Re: $20+2: A call I normally avoid (TPTK)

In a $22 S+G this isn't a marginal call. Folding here is terrible, you will be ahead way more often than behind.
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