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AJs - berated afterward for being lucky - true?
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls. Flop: (12.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls. Turn: (13.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 folds, CO calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls. River: (21.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds. Final Pot: 24.75 BB |
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Re: AJs - berated afterward for being lucky - true?
You didn't get lucky - but you didn't play it well either.
Bet the flop - call his inevitable raise. Call the turn. C/R the river. Alex |
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Re: AJs - berated afterward for being lucky - true?
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You didn't get lucky - but you didn't play it well either. Bet the flop - call his inevitable raise. Call the turn. C/R the river. Alex [/ QUOTE ] Ya. Bet the flop. I'd raise the turn also. c/r the river is 50/50. I guess it depends on your table read. |
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Re: AJs - berated afterward for being lucky - true?
I like it, although flop & turn are a little aggressive for me.
With middle pair, runner-runner flush and one overcard which will put 3 to a str8 on the board you're not terribly strong. Likewise the raise on the turn: you're 5:1 to hit the flush and at best have 4 callers, but the implicit odds probably make up for that. Any time you hit runner-runner flush people will berate you for your "foolish" play. And when you miss they'll take your money with nary a complaint :-). -- Scott |
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Re: AJs - berated afterward for being lucky - true?
Preflop: Standard
Flop: What were your reasoning when you raised. IMO you don't accomplish anything with that. You won't get a freecard since CO has position on you and you risk getting 3-betted. I only raise here if CO is a LAG who will bluff here almost always. Turn: You have a really strong draw strong draw. CO might have a set or KJ which makes me wanna discount your out to 12. I do not fear UTG+2 that much, might have hit 2-pair or a weaker flushdraw. You have about 26% equity which will make this bet for value if you get 3 callers. In this big pot it's not unlikely and that's exactly what you get (3 callers). I would have settled for a call though, risking a 3-bet from CO. River: Standard |
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Re: AJs - berated afterward for being lucky - true?
Obviously the C/R on the river is read dependent - I don't even bother saying that now when I should.
I don't like the turn raise - I think he can see the river for cheap, and I'm not sure how many outs he actually has. Clearly the 9 spades are good, but the 3 aces are debatable...especially when looking at the flop action - I'd give hero about 12.5 outs - which isn't enough to justify raising this turn. I lied - the turn raise is fine. I still don't make this raise because I don't want to force the field to call two cold when I'm on a flush draw. Alex |
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Re: AJs - berated afterward for being lucky - true?
The turn agressor is in front of hero so I would not try to check/raise the river.
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr /> I'd raise the turn also. c/r the river is 50/50. I guess it depends on your table read. [/ QUOTE ] If you raise the turn you would never try to check/raise the river, I guess? |
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Re: AJs - berated afterward for being lucky - true?
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr />
don't like the turn raise - I think he can see the river for cheap, and I'm not sure how many outs he actually has. Clearly the 9 spades are good, but the 3 aces are debatable...especially when looking at the flop action - I'd give hero about 12.5 outs - which isn't enough to justify raising this turn. [/ QUOTE ] Hero has only 7 good spadeouts when CO has flopped a set. But giving 12.5 outs is a reasonable estimation, even if I'd say it's a little generous. 11-12 I would say looking at the flop action. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr /> I still don't make this raise because I don't want to force the field to call two cold when I'm on a flush draw. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, you might fold opponents you need in the pot to make raising +EV. |
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Re: AJs - berated afterward for being lucky - true?
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Flop: What were your reasoning when you raised. IMO you don't accomplish anything with that. You won't get a freecard since CO has position on you and you risk getting 3-betted. I only raise here if CO is a LAG who will bluff here almost always. [/ QUOTE ] Is the raise worth it if it drives MP3 out? If not, is it worth it if it makes two opponents call two cold or folds them? Three? I wouldn't raise the turn though - I don't try to drive people out when I'm on a draw. |
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Re: AJs - berated afterward for being lucky - true?
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr />
Is the raise worth it if it drives MP3 out? If not, is it worth it if it makes two opponents call two cold or folds them? Three? [/ QUOTE ] I would say no. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar till:</font><hr /> I wouldn't raise the turn though - I don't try to drive people out when I'm on a draw. [/ QUOTE ] Agree. |
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