What is the best theoretical number of preflop callers to AA?

[CrackerZack]

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If you mean lose money with AA, I don't know for sure, but you're probably wrong.

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Assuming your opponents aren't psychic and know you're doing this, he's not wrong.

[jeffnc]

Depends what you mean by "theoretical". If you want to get abstract, it does have a max, but it's definitely gotta be higher than 10. For example, if you were playing from some gigantic deck of cards in a huge ring game, eventually a hand like AA isn't going to be good enough, because it can't make a straight flush (with both cards.)

[Lansing]

I don't know about the rest of you but I don't care much about the pot equity with AA. I just want to win the godamn pot, because it's such a hard hand to get away from and it comes around so rarely--it's a highly psychologically difficult hand to play correctly. Ergo, I want few people in there and I don't want any fuss. It's just one pair, after all. So I prefer no more than 2-3 people in the pot with me. Any more than that and I feel extremely vulnerable with AA.

[JPinAZ]

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For example, lets say, for the sake of argument, AA is 30 percent to win against 9 random hands and 60 percent to win against 4 random hands. Assume you can count on no limpers folding to your raise.

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30% of 9 will always be more than 60% of 4.

[Diboss]

Abdul Jalib stated that AA is worth about 4BB. It's also known to be a fairly bad idea to slowplay AA preflop, as that can lead to someone drawing 2 pair with crap on the flop, and we all know how much we can lose when 74o two-pairs on the flop and we keep pushing our AA. So the theoretical breakeven point would be to raise AA preflop and as long as we receive at least 2 callers (4BB), we're still good and there's much less chance a flop like K74 rainbow will kill us as someone with 74o is unlikely to call our raise. And for the others, yes AA will beat out most hands 33% of the time, but the other 66% of the time, it will lose more than twice as much money as it wins that one time. I have no empirical proof of this though, anyone willing to run a simulation would be nice.

[ddubois]

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[RJT]

Perhaps, your question needs to be restated. The answer is simple even to a beginner like me. You have the best starting hand. You want as much money is in ASAP. The question I think you might really be asking is (and I have the same quesion) how many do you want after that? Of course, it depends on the flop, etc. But it is a general question you are asking as I understand it.

[maurile]

Opponents, percentage won, estimated pot equity (assuming same number of bets per player):
1 85.3 1.704
2 73.4 2.202
3 63.9 2.556
4 55.9 2.795
5 49.2 2.952
6 43.6 3.052
7 38.8 3.104
8 34.7 3.123
9 31.1 3.110

[TripleH68]

Here is a gut answer for you, not a statistical answer.

If I raise UTG with AA I am happy to see 2 or 3 callers, very happy to see a 3 bet/cap. With 4 or more callers I get a little uneasy.

[senjitsu]

You know, aside from mine, thats the first sensible post ive seen on this topic. I would still agrue for less than 8, because i think the same number of bets per player assumption skews the results a little, as well as the fact that the chart assumes random hands (i assume) rather than likely callers (note that the edge between 6 and 8 callers is pretty thin).


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Opponents, percentage won, estimated pot equity (assuming same number of bets per player):
1 85.3 1.704
2 73.4 2.202
3 63.9 2.556
4 55.9 2.795
5 49.2 2.952
6 43.6 3.052
7 38.8 3.104
8 34.7 3.123
9 31.1 3.110

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