Any way to lay down KK preflop?

#1 10-20-2005, 07:18 PM

I have been burned many times with KK versus AA preflop. When i'm playing small stakes I get players going all in on a wide spectrum of hands so it is hard to gauge what people have. In a recent hand i had a player raise before me, i go over the top, then he pushes for quite a bit more. This to me looks a lot like AA but because im playing small stakes this sometimes could be anything like KQ or 99. Has anyone been able to lay down KK preflop at small stakes?

Godfather80 · #2 10-20-2005, 07:28 PM

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I have been burned many times with KK versus AA preflop. When i'm playing small stakes I get players going all in on a wide spectrum of hands so it is hard to gauge what people have. In a recent hand i had a player raise before me, i go over the top, then he pushes for quite a bit more. This to me looks a lot like AA but because im playing small stakes this sometimes could be anything like KQ or 99. Has anyone been able to lay down KK preflop at small stakes?

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Depends on the player your up against and the situation. KK runs into AA 1/17th of the time.

neuroman · #3 10-20-2005, 07:35 PM

I'm never laying down KK in a small stakes heads up situation unless I have a strong, strong read on the player.

(The only people I have a read this strong on are some of my local live home game buddies.)

#4 10-20-2005, 08:40 PM

The only way I lay this down is with an amazing read or I've built my stack way up and villians stack could do major damage to mine. I usually leave the table if I get up that high however.

PoBoy321 · #5 10-20-2005, 08:42 PM

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Any way to lay down KK preflop?

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Yeah, you throw your cards face down in the middle of the table.

In all seriousness though, I think I've only folded KK pre-flop once and it was very deepstacked, multiway against a lot of aggression.

#6 10-20-2005, 09:21 PM

Why would you leave a table that doubled you up...?

primate · #7 10-20-2005, 11:16 PM

ha ha ha

YES but NO [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Empire $50nl 10 max

I reraise EP in MP with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB goes all in, EP folds, I muse, stew, actually think about this thread, check his stats, 205 handss played ZERO raised.......

guess what I call

Villain has A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and takes away my stack.

ho ho. If ever a time to lay down KK this was it.

EMcWilliams · #8 10-21-2005, 12:40 AM

The only time I ever did it was against a similar player...it was funny watching 88 beat him too.

#9 10-21-2005, 12:54 AM

This is the only time i have ever layed down kings. I think most of the time it is incorrect to fold, but sometimes you may have to think about it a bit more. Or maybe im just giving the 25NL players too much respect..

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $2, 2 folds, Button raises to $4, SB (poster) calls $6.70 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero folds, MP2 raises to $15, Button folds.

Flop: ($27.05) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($27.05) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($27.05) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $27.05

SB has As Ac (one pair, aces).
MP2 has Qc Qs (one pair, queens).
Outcome: SB wins $18.40. MP2 wins $8.65.

FreakDaddy · #10 10-21-2005, 01:30 AM

You mean like in a hand like last night(3rd hand at table).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($42.55)
Hero ($24.75)
CO ($11.25)
Button ($42.40)
SB ($11.50)
BB ($32.95)
UTG ($11.95)
UTG+1 ($22.10)
UTG+2 ($52.20)
MP1 ($4.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $0.69, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, Button calls $1.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $11.70 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $21.41 (All-In), Hero calls $23.25 (All-In), Button folds.

Flop: ($60.65) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: ($60.65) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($60.65) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $60.65

Results in white below: 
UTG has 6s Qs (one pair, queens).
UTG+1 has Ac Ah (three of a kind, aces).
Hero has Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $57.65. Hero wins $2.65. 

At low limits the answer is no, although I had a decent feeling I may be behind to UTG+1. People push pre-flop with all sorts of donk ass hands at this level.