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Old 12-23-2005, 01:30 PM
Cry Me A River Cry Me A River is offline
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Default Re: Betting patterns as tells.

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but I'd rather not be specific,


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The whole point of the previous replies is that you can't generalise here, you need some kind of read on the opponent - ie: a weak/tight opponent, particularly a calling station, is unlikely to try a big river bluff while a LAG is far more likely to be trying to buy the pot. Still, even a huge LAG will sometimes have a hand, and even the biggest rock will try to make a move (or mistake) every once in a while. So there's always going to be some margin of error.

If they've just called all the way then pushed the river, the only information you have is A) reads and B) the calls themselves - ie: Did they call a preflop raise? How many players in the pot before they limped? What about the flop/turn action? Were they calling behind several other callers, possibly giving them pot/implied odds to chase?

Against complete donkeys this kind of info is going to be less valuable if they play the same from any position or will chase regardless of odds. However, this is why the replies have been asking for specific hands, because there may be more information available than you think there is. Particularly if you can get any kind of read on the player with respect to donkey/not donkey, passive/aggressive and loose/tight.
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:08 PM
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Default Re: Betting patterns as tells.

1)the cards on the board (example 1 could mean anything. without knowing anything else about the hand it could mean a missed draw, or if you checked to him on the river he could just be expoiting that show of weakness. It could also be a slowplayed monster hand i.e. top set.)
2)previous hands played w/ villian (have you seen him push on the river before? did you see what he pushed with? is he a lag or a tighty?)
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:27 PM
sofere sofere is offline
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Default Re: Betting patterns as tells.

I agree with splashpot here. All reads of betting patterns are based on the situation. I like to put myself in his shoes and think, what would I have done if I had XX...what if I had YY?

No one here will be able to tell you that a check-call, check-call, push is always/usually/generally a bluff without some kind of situational context. Its not like a physical read where you can say if someone leans forward they are strong or something like that.
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