A few suited A's from the CO

#1 11-22-2005, 06:55 AM

I've just reached 10000 hands at 5/10 and rather than post a stats thread i'm going to post loads of simple hands to check i have the basics right. Please bare with me.

Hand 1

is this a correct peel, would anyone raise the turn?

Villians stats, 70 hands 52/9.9/1.3

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

hand 2

sb 50/11/0.5 from not many hands and plays really bad.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, My line?

Hand 3

Not sure this is the correct way to play these hands vs aggressive opps. Any better line, like say c/r flop, or c/c flop and c/r either turn or river if i hit?

BB 40 hands, 52/9/2.3
button 80 hands, 60/6.3/3.5

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (7.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB

spydog · #2 11-22-2005, 08:42 AM

Hand 1: Fine
Hand 2: Call down.
Hand 3: I check the turn sometimes, but betting is probably just as optimal. River fold looks fine.

MrBig30 · #3 11-22-2005, 08:52 AM

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Hand 1: Fine
Hand 2: Call down.
Hand 3: I check the turn sometimes, but betting is probably just as optimal. River fold looks fine.

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I would probably check turn hand 3, but I agree w/ spy dog.

#4 11-22-2005, 09:17 AM

i figured most of these are going to be played reasonably well and it seems so given your response. Just thinking about possible different lines i could take, hand one, would you ever raise the turn? Hand two, are you calling even if a club hits? Hand 3, as both opps are aggressive and CO will probably bet here if i check, could i either check-raise as with my flush cards + overcard i have enough to do so, or given i check-call can i check-raise this turn. It looks strong to c/c, c/r and given i now have an extra few outs for my gutshot plus they may fold.

deepsquat · #5 11-22-2005, 09:30 AM

The only different line i would consider is a turn raise in Hand 1. He prob has a peice of this board though and being 3bet would suck.

RunDownHouse · #6 11-22-2005, 09:53 AM

I bet the turn in hand 3 in order to buy the button.

stigmata · #7 11-22-2005, 09:58 AM

I agree with spydog.... just adding:

I bet turn in hand 3, button has been very aggressive and is probably checking this through pretty rarely. At least if I do the betting I have a tiny bit of fold equity. If just the button folds I can then usually take a free showdown.

flawless_victory · #8 11-22-2005, 10:35 AM

hand 1.
cap that sh.t preflop with quickness. easy cap w/ a nice hand AND position for me.
flop, raise it.
turn, raise it.
river, prob raise, but maybe just call... if u do raise, you really need to lay it down for a third bet (ppl just dont bluff there), so if u dont want to risk not seeing a showdown, just call is fine.

hand 2.
play so far is obvious. after u get checkraised i just call down and raise riv if u fill, obviously.

hand 3.
play up to river is fine. i bet turn 100%... river is intersting. that bet from the BB is really bizarre... hes representing a T? we are supposed to be believe that?
looks v possible that he is an idiot make some ridic bluff w/ J8ish. i think u need to strongly consider raising to prevent button from overcalling. of course that is kinda expensive (and quite the parlay since button is a big donkey and could make an idiotic, but "correct" coldcall w/89), but i still like it.

#9 11-22-2005, 10:43 AM

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hand 1.
cap that sh.t preflop with quickness. easy cap w/ a nice hand AND position for me.
flop, raise it.
turn, raise it.
river, prob raise, but maybe just call... if u do raise, you really need to lay it down for a third bet (ppl just dont bluff there), so if u dont want to risk not seeing a showdown, just call is fine.

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Wow, loads of questions. What else would you cap here? If i cap an i just firing away until shown aggression? If he leads on this flop am i raising?

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hand 2.
play so far is obvious. after u get checkraised i just call down and raise riv if u fill, obviously.

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Do you call if the river brings a four flush?

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hand 3.
play up to river is fine. i bet turn 100%... river is intersting. that bet from the BB is really bizarre... hes representing a T? we are supposed to be believe that?
looks v possible that he is an idiot make some ridic bluff w/ J8ish. i think u need to strongly consider raising to prevent button from overcalling. of course that is kinda expensive (and quite the parlay since button is a big donkey and could make an idiotic, but "correct" coldcall w/89), but i still like it.

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I thought bb's bet interesting, if i raise here obv button has a hard time calling with say 77, but does my raise fold out a pair from the bb.

stigmata · #10 11-22-2005, 10:45 AM

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hand 1.
cap that sh.t preflop with quickness. easy cap w/ a nice hand AND position for me.
flop, raise it.
turn, raise it.
river, prob raise,

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I did think about this line, but the guy only raises 10% preflop. Against his 3-betting range our hand doesn't look great. Of course this all depends on a read for how he plays in blind steal/re-steal situations, so a 3-bet preflop is possibly a good idea.

On the turn we have a big draw but the board fits with many potential holdings and it would really suck to get 3-bet.