Did I misplay the nuts when I had them?

[wpr101]

I told two of my poker friends about this hand...

They were both saying how I shouldn't have given a free card on the turn and that there's 10 outs for me to NOT have the nuts anymore. But I responded to that, that is assuming they already have a set which is far from garunteed. Also 10 outs with 1 card to come is not enormous.

[durron597]

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I told two of my poker friends about this hand...

They were both saying how I shouldn't have given a free card on the turn and that there's 10 outs for me to NOT have the nuts anymore. But I responded to that, that is assuming they already have a set which is far from garunteed. Also 10 outs with 1 card to come is not enormous.

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Exactly. Letting the turn check through really isn't terrible. However getting your whole stack in when the board pairs is.

[RobGW]

I think not raising on the flop was a mistake. The pot is getting big in relation to your stack. You have two players who already said they have enough of a hand to bet and call. Get the money in now as another club may dry up the action.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

yes, I meant I did not like your raise on the river

[wpr101]

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I think not raising on the flop was a mistake. The pot is getting big in relation to your stack. You have two players who already said they have enough of a hand to bet and call. Get the money in now as another club may dry up the action.

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How much would you raise there though? A minraise or 2x his raise? Or 3x his raise? I don't want to shut them out completely. Idealy I was hoping for action on the turn and didn't get it and probably should have bet the turn in retrospect.

[USGrant]

The river raise was the death move. If you just call and win it's still a nice pot. I think a medium sized raise on the flop would have been good. The set probably would have pushed however, which is what you are looking for, but you would have lost anyway.

When I flop nut flush and someone leads out in front of me, a raise will very often (8 out of 10?) be interpreted as a Ace-holding semi-bluff, or just a straight pot steal attempt, and I'll get callers. If the turn is a club too, a follow up turn bet might get the player holding a set to drop their hand, which you may or may not want, but I generally would rather take a nice pot at this point then gamble.

[djoyce003]

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I don't like your raise on the flop...

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I didn't raise the flop. Do you mean the river?

Also do you guys think I should have folded after I was re-raised all-in. I would have been left with 500-600 chips. The pots odds were pretty favorable at that point for a call even though I thought there was a good chance I was beaten. Should I have layed it down?

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What else other than the full house moves all in on a 4 flush board? He knows you have the ace high flush and doesn't think you can fold it, and he was right. I would have called the river bet...as you played it, you HAVE to fold to the push on the river...you are behind 99% of the time here barring a read that villain is a complete and utter donkey, which you don't have.

[david050173]

First off I fold this preflop a lot. Second if you act last, how can you not bet the turn? Other than river bluffs, there is no card that is going to make a second best hand that will bet here. Personally I am reraising on the flop most of the time here. Maybe it is a small reraise (100-150) that would give a set decent odds but I want them to pay to play.