80/160 #4: AJs

[tomahawk]

I think it's good.

The check-bet-bet line probably means your beat here often enough. I don't think the argument that you should have folded the turn if you were gonna fold the river is valid, because the river card and his follow through river bet does make it a lot more likely that you are beat.

would you call if the river was a total blank?

[DpR]

All legit points - but you are not a LAG - 'especially pre-flop' as Nate suggests.

[Turning Stone Pro]

IMO, Nate's play was to bet the flop. In this way, he stands a much better chance of finding out where he is.

Then, he can fold the turn if the flop is check-raised and villian leads on the turn. He can check the turn when the J comes, if villian merely check-calls the flop, since the only overcard that hurts him on the river is a Q.

I just think this is a less-expensive, more effective way of handling the hand, geared towards avoiding losing a lot of $ by finding out early if you are beat, and allowing one to get to the river, if villian's weakness allows him to do so.

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[oreogod]

I dont think a flop bet is good at all IMO. Whenver I come across this situation, whether its a LAG or TAG, and they 4-bet and check the flop, more often than not, its a pretty big hand they are doing it with.

I think the turn call is better than raising. I think the possibility is small, but villian could check the river. Its possible, but not if he has a monster. But it would be just about the only reason I would call the turn bet, to possibily get a free showdown. When villian bets the river again, I think u can safely fold.

[elysium]

hi nate

you've got to call.

[andyfox]

The flop check is likely a big hand, granted. But it might also be pocket queens. And those Vegas types are more likely than most to bet a set of kings on the flop and check a pair of queens on it. And to throw those queens away when you raise 'em on the turn. And to just call and then check with A-A and A-K.

Anybody got a better argument than mine or tpir90036's for raising the turn?

[helpmeout]

No preflop raiser checks a king high flop HU without a monster.

Fold the turn.

[sthief09]

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No preflop raiser checks a king high flop HU without a monster.

Fold the turn.

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I agree

[Nate tha' Great]

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No preflop raiser checks a king high flop HU without a monster.

Fold the turn.

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I agree

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At the risk of sounding patronizing:

This isn't 10-20 Party 6-max. Every off-tempo check does not indicate a monster. These players are capable of switching speeds with a variety of hands and for a variety of reasons.

[AceHigh]

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Fold the turn.

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Or the flop, lol.