Correct river play or did I get wet?

Buccaneer · #1 10-11-2005, 07:49 PM

Most interested in what you think of my river play. Feel free, as always, to chop my legs out from under me on the rest of my play!

Reads: Everyone is "partying" except me an one other guy. The others are playing with 63o etc. One villan is 93% over 20 hands and the other is 100% over 15 hands.

I knew that I was ahead until the river but when the heart hit my heart dropped to my feet. I knew that I might be beat and bet it to represent the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] just in case he had the King or less (he did, and had been betting K7 and was playing a pair of 7's when that last heart hit). Was this correct or should I have just folded?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, 5 folds, Hero calls, UTG 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

lautzutao · #2 10-11-2005, 07:53 PM

You probably should have checked this river. If the pot were smaller I'd say bet/fold, but the size of the pot makes me want to get to a showdown on this board as cheaply as possible.

What's with the 4-flush to the board posts tonight... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

@bsolute_luck · #3 10-11-2005, 07:57 PM

don't like the flop bet, the river bet, or the river call.

aces_dad · #4 10-11-2005, 07:59 PM

If you can't lay down this TP on a 4flush board then check/call the river.

If you're taking a shot at the pot with a hand you think is not best (which is what your post appeared to indicate) you need to fold to that raise.

Either way I don't like putting in two bets here. Are you trying to get to showdown or make a move?

stuartharris · #5 10-11-2005, 08:07 PM

Since UTG 3-bet the flop, I'd have gone for the check-raise on the flop. TPGK is nice, but not at all a sure thing by the river; I try to go ahead and take the pot when I can. However, since you can't make it two bets to MP1, he's probably not folding here even if UTG bets out on the flop for you.

I think the turn is fine. You're probably ahead; it's a value bet.

I have to check/call that river. With two opponents, it's a pretty sure thing one of them has a heart, and at .50/1.00, you're not going to get him to lay it down (in fact, you called a raise without a heart).

lautzutao · #6 10-11-2005, 08:08 PM

I'm sorry, why don't you like the flop bet? You'd rather wait for a c/r here?

Buccaneer · #7 10-11-2005, 08:15 PM

Edited because I misunderstood aces dad's post

Obliky · #8 10-11-2005, 08:22 PM

I think im actually in favour of the bet/fold on the river..i mean how often are you going to fold the best hand after he raises you?

However, by check-calling the river you are going to lose to any hand with a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], but also hands like (poorly played) QQ, KK, AA, AJ.

Heres how i play the hand:

same pre-flop
C/R flop
Bet turn
Bet/Fold river

Buccaneer · #9 10-11-2005, 08:26 PM

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If you're taking a shot at the pot with a hand you think is not best (which is what your post appeared to indicate) you need to fold to that raise.

Either way I don't like putting in two bets here. Are you trying to get to showdown or make a move?

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I think that you may be right about me taking a shot at the pot but I think that I must have married that hand and forgot to divorce myself from it. Now that I think about the hand and what you said I think that I just didn't want to let it go.

I think that this type of shot at the pot is not going to work at this level. ?????????????

tyler_cracker · #10 10-11-2005, 08:31 PM

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I'm sorry, why don't you like the flop bet? You'd rather wait for a c/r here?

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Yeah, i'm confused too. I don't know what UTG's limp reraise means, but i think it's somewhat more likely to go bet-raise and knock MP1 out than check-check-bet-raise and knock UTG out. Also, if they both have overcards, maybe they both check it through?

I definitely need more explanation for why a c/r is the way to go here.