AKo UTG

ZootMurph · #1 03-19-2005, 10:57 AM

Anyone call this river bet, and why?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

BB (t2652)
ZootMurph (t1172)
MP (t1730)
CO (t524)
Button (t842)
SB (t1080)

Preflop: ZootMurph is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
ZootMurph raises to t150, MP calls t150, 4 folds.

Flop: (t375) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
ZootMurph checks, MP checks.

Turn: (t375) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
ZootMurph checks, MP checks.

River: (t375) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
ZootMurph checks, MP bets t325, ZootMurph...

EasilyFound · #2 03-19-2005, 11:52 AM

Nope. If you are thinking about calling that bet, then you should have bet out on the turn after your opponent checked OTF.

john_ · #3 03-19-2005, 11:54 AM

I wouldn't call here...not to say there isn't a chance that you're best. When you check two streets like that you look really weak so he could bet out with anything.

Why not take a stab at the pot on the flop or the turn? If you bet the turn and he plays back at you its a pretty easy fold. Tough to put him on a range of hands not knowing anything about the stakes or the player.

Elem100 · #4 03-19-2005, 01:51 PM

Congruent Bluffing hands
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AJ x 12
A10 x 12
AK x 9

Total = 33

Congruent real hands:
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QQ x 3(its unlikely you have a J or 10 so its not too dangerous to slowplay)
99 x 3
88 x 3
10-J x 16
22 x 3
AA x 3

Total = 31

Its a close decision, the numbers suggest 1:1 on the bluff, for odds of 2:1 making it worthwhile, but you have to know the player is calpable of a pot bluff with a weak A high to call. If I thought the player was decent I'd call.

ZootMurph · #5 03-20-2005, 11:59 AM

I did think the player was decent, and I did call. I assumed he would bet out if he hit something on the flop, and bet on the turn if he was holding a pocket pair. The river deuce didn't help him, so I was pretty sure it was a bluff, and I called. He showed KJo for a bluff, MHIG.

BTW, does anyone think I should have bet at some point in this hand? When he called me, I figured him for a pocket pair or two Broadways, and I also assumed that if he didn't hit, he had a Broadway draw, so I was content to check/fold the flop and turn. In a multitable, I'd have bet out on the flop, but there is less margin for error in SNGs, so I felt it was best to check here... Please tell me if I'm in error, as I'm trying to learn more about SNG play.

EasilyFound · #6 03-20-2005, 12:13 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Congruent Bluffing hands
------------------------

AJ x 12
A10 x 12
AK x 9

Total = 33

Congruent real hands:
---------------------
QQ x 3(its unlikely you have a J or 10 so its not too dangerous to slowplay)
99 x 3
88 x 3
10-J x 16
22 x 3
AA x 3

Total = 31

[/ QUOTE ]

What is the "12" in "x12" and the "3" in "x3" etc...? I'm not familiar with that and can't seem to figure out what it means.

Thanks.

YourFoxyGrandma · #7 03-20-2005, 01:45 PM

You need to be right every other time to make this call; I'd want a pretty good read to do so. That said, I'd definitely have taken a stab at the pot earlier, maybe on the flop depending on my read and almost definitely on the turn.

Dante · #8 03-20-2005, 04:54 PM

it's the number of combinations of each hand.

For example, the AJ x 12 means 3 more Aces and 4 Jacks give 12 combinations of AJ.

for the QQ x 3, there are 3 queens left, so 3 combinations.

Elektrik · #9 03-20-2005, 05:02 PM

You cannot put him on this range of hands like that, because with his river bet it is much more likely that has some peice of the board. I think a call is pretty bad here.