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Old 12-22-2005, 07:30 PM
Coolidge Coolidge is offline
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Default AKo vs. the mighty 3-bet.

.5/1

Villian 1 (UTG)is 19.3/8.8/1.71(59)
Villian 2 (MP1)is 24.4/5.4/1.13 (168)

Hero is UTG+2 with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls 3 cold, folds to UTG who calls.

FLIZOP - 3 players (5.25 sb) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero...?

What is my line for the rest of the hand? Can this be folded on the flop?
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:37 PM
Vote4Pedro Vote4Pedro is offline
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Default Re: AKo vs. the mighty 3-bet.

Theres absolutely no way I'm folding. We're ahead of UTG, and the only "reasonable" hand MP could have that beats us is 99. And I'm not so sure he'd be calling 3 PF w/ 99. I cap the flop and lead the turn, I switch to call-down mode if I meet any more resistance
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: AKo vs. the mighty 3-bet.

This hand shows the importance of reads/stats. I think Vote4Pedro nailed it. You're going to split with another AK very often here, though.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:41 PM
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Default Re: AKo vs. the mighty 3-bet.

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Theres absolutely no way I'm folding. We're ahead of UTG, and the only "reasonable" hand MP could have that beats us is 99. And I'm not so sure he'd be calling 3 PF w/ 99. I cap the flop and lead the turn, I switch to call-down mode if I meet any more resistance

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Personally, I don't think it's safe to say that any of the .50/1 players on party are by any means 'reasonable'. Although I still agree; I think folding is by far the wrong play. I'd cap the flop, and lead the turn, if I encounter a raise I'd probably call down hoping he has downsyndrome and is going crazy with a lesser ace.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: AKo vs. the mighty 3-bet.

Well said, but what hands do you put the 3-bettor on that would make him 3-bet that flop?
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: AKo vs. the mighty 3-bet.

UTG could have AJs+. MP isn't beating too many hands if he's true to his stats--unless he's stupid and ignores PF raises, AK or maaaybe AQ are all he could really hold.

Regardless, you're getting over 13 to 1 here, which is enough to call every time.
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:07 PM
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Default Re: AKo vs. the mighty 3-bet.

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what hands do you put the 3-bettor on that would make him 3-bet that flop?

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That depends. His VPIP is 24 but I've seen 24's that play alot of aces. I've seen 24's that don't ever want to get away from a pocket pair PF. His PFR is kinda low so he could have called 3 with AK. But would he coldcall 3 with AQ, AJ(maybe), or an even weaker ace?. A read on his tendencies with pocket pairs, and with Ax would be helpful. I don't see him three beting this flop without at least AK, AQ, AJ(maybe) or a hand that has us beat (2 pair, set)
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:14 PM
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Default Re: AKo vs. the mighty 3-bet.

I don't see how in the world you can fold TPTK with a flop like this.

I'd cap this, bet out the turn... if he raises call down.. but I just find it hard to think I don't have the best hand.

I don't see MP1 calling 3 cold on 55.. 99 would be tough to see as well.
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: AKo vs. the mighty 3-bet.

*GRUNCH*

I cap this flop, then see how the hand looks on the turn. I probably bet/raise the turn, call a raise/3bet from mp1, and check/call the river UI.
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: AKo vs. the mighty 3-bet.

By my calculation pot is 19sb back to hero on the flop.

The uncoordinated flop is a concern, but the pot is too big to consider folding.
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