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Old 12-09-2005, 08:49 PM
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So your saying that there is nothing missing in the fossil record?

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Check out the link Chezlaw provided about the California salamanders, you dont need a fossil record, there are living creatures that illustrate the point you dont understand.
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Old 12-09-2005, 08:57 PM
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the entire complex of populations belongs to a single taxonomic species, Ensatina escholtzii.


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Micro yes. Macro nope.
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:00 PM
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the entire complex of populations belongs to a single taxonomic species, Ensatina escholtzii.


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Micro yes. Macro nope.

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In evolutionary biology today, macroevolution is used to refer to any evolutionary change at or above the level of species. It means the splitting of a species into two

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Definitely macro

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Old 12-09-2005, 09:03 PM
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1. How many fossils have been found that show transition from one species to the next?


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If you were to put ice water on the stove at what point would it make the transition from cold to hot?

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So your saying that there is nothing missing in the fossil record?

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Of course there is no complete fossil record. We have access to some randomly strewn about fossils from various points in time.

But your question misses the point about the theory of evolution and how species are formed. Your question is analagous to looking at 30 xrays of 1 person taken on their birthday from age 1 to 30 then asking to show you the one which shows the transition from childhood to adulthood.

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Um no. That's not it at all.

We have hundreds of times more fossils than in Darwins day, and not one that shows any speciation. So are you saying that they're out there and we haven't found them yet? Not one in millions of examples yet they exist? This thought process requires faith no?
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:07 PM
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the entire complex of populations belongs to a single taxonomic species, Ensatina escholtzii.


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Micro yes. Macro nope.

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In evolutionary biology today, macroevolution is used to refer to any evolutionary change at or above the level of species. It means the splitting of a species into two

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Definitely macro

chez

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Main Entry: macˇroˇevoˇluˇtion
Pronunciation: 'ma-krO-"e-v&-'lü-sh&n also -"E-v&-
Function: noun
: evolution that results in relatively large and complex changes (as in species formation)
- macˇroˇevoˇluˇtionˇary /-sh&-"ner-E/ adjective
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:14 PM
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the entire complex of populations belongs to a single taxonomic species, Ensatina escholtzii.


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Micro yes. Macro nope.

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In evolutionary biology today, macroevolution is used to refer to any evolutionary change at or above the level of species. It means the splitting of a species into two

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Definitely macro

chez

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Main Entry: macˇroˇevoˇluˇtion
Pronunciation: 'ma-krO-"e-v&-'lü-sh&n also -"E-v&-
Function: noun
: evolution that results in relatively large and complex changes (as in species formation)
- macˇroˇevoˇluˇtionˇary /-sh&-"ner-E/ adjective

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Yes and the the link provides an example of species formation. I don't understand why you think it doesn't.

chez
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:19 PM
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But wait a minute...

While there remain some unanswered questions, there is copious evidence all around us for evolution. And it is observable. And I don't need to rely on accounts of extremely unlikely events documented by people of long ago.

Now I'll grant you that once upon a time the idea that man is related to an ape would've seemed about as far-fetched as some of the (tamer) biblical stories. But that just isn't the case any more. There is a plethora of books on the subject if one is interested in learning more.

Again, I'm not a scientist and am not qualified to explain or prove to you exactly why evolution is a fact any more than I can explain or prove to you that light travels at 186,000 miles per second and nothing can move faster than it. But you should know that evolution has been very well received by virtually the entire scientific community. Evolution is not mere speculation, but a THEORY! That's pretty strong. Do you really question whether evolution is true?
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:27 PM
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the entire complex of populations belongs to a single taxonomic species, Ensatina escholtzii.


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Micro yes. Macro nope.

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In evolutionary biology today, macroevolution is used to refer to any evolutionary change at or above the level of species. It means the splitting of a species into two

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Definitely macro

chez

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merriam webster's dictionary

Main Entry: macˇroˇevoˇluˇtion
Pronunciation: 'ma-krO-"e-v&-'lü-sh&n also -"E-v&-
Function: noun
: evolution that results in relatively large and complex changes (as in species formation)
- macˇroˇevoˇluˇtionˇary /-sh&-"ner-E/ adjective

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Yes and the the link provides an example of species formation. I don't understand why you think it doesn't.

chez

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Is the salamander in your link still a salamander or not??
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:36 PM
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1. How many fossils have been found that show transition from one species to the next?

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a lot.
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2. Is macro-evolution science?


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2. absolutely

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3. If you answered yes to #3 then where's the tangible, testible evidence?

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the ground, museums, education centers, and research facilities.
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:38 PM
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the entire complex of populations belongs to a single taxonomic species, Ensatina escholtzii.


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Micro yes. Macro nope.

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In evolutionary biology today, macroevolution is used to refer to any evolutionary change at or above the level of species. It means the splitting of a species into two

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Definitely macro

chez

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merriam webster's dictionary

Main Entry: macˇroˇevoˇluˇtion
Pronunciation: 'ma-krO-"e-v&-'lü-sh&n also -"E-v&-
Function: noun
: evolution that results in relatively large and complex changes (as in species formation)
- macˇroˇevoˇluˇtionˇary /-sh&-"ner-E/ adjective

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Yes and the the link provides an example of species formation. I don't understand why you think it doesn't.

chez

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Is the salamander in your link still a salamander or not??

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Jeff, you can call the things whatever you like but here you have a series of creatures that can all reproduce with their neighbors but at the same time those furthest apart cannot reproduce with each other.

This is evidence of species formation. Normally its spread out over time and so difficult to observe but here its spread over geographical space and you can see the whole thing in all its glory.

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