Potowatomi collusion

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I think this is kind of a general problem with Indian gaming casinos.

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I think you mean generally smaller casinos/cardrooms with about 4 tables max. Not just Indian Casinos.

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I think this is kind of a general problem with Indian gaming casinos.

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I think you mean generally smaller casinos/cardrooms with about 4 tables max. Not just Indian Casinos.

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This stuff wouldn't fly at my local Indian casinos. They have about ten to fifteen tables each, and I know the floor people are better than this. Blatant collusion, and the dealer should have spoken up in your favor. Even if it wasn't colluding, they wouldn't harass the complainer about it. They would most likely issue a stiff warning and offer to split the guys up. If it persisted, the floor would ban them. The only complaint I have about our local casinos is they allow the players (and sometimes the dealers) to speak Spanish at the tables.

Maybe this stuff just happens at smaller Indian cardrooms. FWIW.

ScottieK

[bernie]

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Maybe this stuff just happens at smaller Indian cardrooms

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I was thinking smaller cardrooms in general. Regardless of whether they are Indian or not.

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[masse75]

Fire a letter off to the casino manager. Heck, maybe the floor is in on it. If you're not gonna go back, take the whole place down.

No, I don't think the floor is in on it, but by your assertation that he knows one of the colluders, that's obviously influenced his decision.

[RoundTower]

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3) It's a kill pot. Before the cards are dealt, the leader of their group whispers to the guy on his right (one of his friends) to 'bump it up'. Leader, who is UTG, raises, his friend to his right re-raises.


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His friend is in the big blind, right? Were there callers in between? It's not collusion to agree to raise or 3-bet without looking at your cards. The other two examples you gave, if they're not "jokes", are examples of team play or collusion.

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3) It's a kill pot. Before the cards are dealt, the leader of their group whispers to the guy on his right (one of his friends) to 'bump it up'. Leader, who is UTG, raises, his friend to his right re-raises.


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His friend is in the big blind, right? Were there callers in between? It's not collusion to agree to raise or 3-bet without looking at your cards. The other two examples you gave, if they're not "jokes", are examples of team play or collusion.

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Sorry, I tried fixing my OP, but it was too late. The guy who said to bump it up was UTG, his friend was directly to his LEFT. The kill was on the button.

As I said, this was the final incident of the night. First, there was the comment about giving him a signal if one of his friends had a good hand. Then, they were asking each other if they were going to call my river bet. Finally, the obvious betting and raising to get other players out of pots, followed by a single river bet and a muck. They were obviously trying to buy the kill pot for the team. And if someone had a playable hand, they would team up against them.

Look, just because I know the way to combat this stuff does not make it right. And it certainly doesn't mean that the floor should let them get away with it. FWIW, I left the casino up $ for my session, but that's not the point. Poker is not supposed to be a team sport.

[bernie]

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3) It's a kill pot. Before the cards are dealt, the leader of their group whispers to the guy on his right (one of his friends) to 'bump it up'. Leader, who is UTG, raises, his friend to his right re-raises.


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His friend is in the big blind, right? Were there callers in between? It's not collusion to agree to raise or 3-bet without looking at your cards. The other two examples you gave, if they're not "jokes", are examples of team play or collusion.

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Sorry, I tried fixing my OP, but it was too late. The guy who said to bump it up was UTG, his friend was directly to his LEFT. The kill was on the button.

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It's still ok to multiple blind straddle even in a kill pot.

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3) It's a kill pot. Before the cards are dealt, the leader of their group whispers to the guy on his right (one of his friends) to 'bump it up'. Leader, who is UTG, raises, his friend to his right re-raises.


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His friend is in the big blind, right? Were there callers in between? It's not collusion to agree to raise or 3-bet without looking at your cards. The other two examples you gave, if they're not "jokes", are examples of team play or collusion.

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Sorry, I tried fixing my OP, but it was too late. The guy who said to bump it up was UTG, his friend was directly to his LEFT. The kill was on the button.

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It's still ok to multiple blind straddle even in a kill pot.

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What they did was NOT a 'blind straddle'. In a blind straddle, everyone knows that the bet has been placed prior to the cards being dealt. Having a secret plan between two players to raise and re-raise is NOT a blind straddle, it's collusion.

I just happened to overhear the 'bump it up' comment. If they had announced to the table what they were planning on doing, that would be a different matter. But that wasn't the case - I overheard the guy whispering to his friend. So, they had a plan prior to the cards being dealt to give the illusion to the rest of the table that they had two very strong hands - which would on most occassions allow them to 'buy' the kill pot. What took place here bears absolutely no resemblance to a blind straddle.

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3) It's a kill pot. Before the cards are dealt, the leader of their group whispers to the guy on his right (one of his friends) to 'bump it up'. Leader, who is UTG, raises, his friend to his right re-raises.


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His friend is in the big blind, right? Were there callers in between? It's not collusion to agree to raise or 3-bet without looking at your cards. The other two examples you gave, if they're not "jokes", are examples of team play or collusion.

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Sorry, I tried fixing my OP, but it was too late. The guy who said to bump it up was UTG, his friend was directly to his LEFT. The kill was on the button.

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It's still ok to multiple blind straddle even in a kill pot.

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What they did was NOT a 'blind straddle'. In a blind straddle, everyone knows that the bet has been placed prior to the cards being dealt. Having a secret plan between two players to raise and re-raise is NOT a blind straddle, it's collusion.

I just happened to overhear the 'bump it up' comment. If they had announced to the table what they were planning on doing, that would be a different matter. But that wasn't the case - I overheard the guy whispering to his friend. So, they had a plan prior to the cards being dealt to give the illusion to the rest of the table that they had two very strong hands - which would on most occassions allow them to 'buy' the kill pot. What took place here bears absolutely no resemblance to a blind straddle.

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Realize when confronting the floor, the much better part of your complaint is the other stuff that happened during a hand that you described. THOSE are the strong point of your argument that should stand alone w/o even bringing this preflop situation up. Simply because this situation can be seen as speculative as now you have to see if everyone else heard them and it's big mess as many might not have even paid attention if they said it out loud anyways. If they're not going to do something about the other, more blatant stuff, they sure aren't going to do something about this.

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[magoo]

The problem is NON PROFESSIONAL MIDWEST POKER ROOMS. Those rooms in NW Indiana, and Aurora are horrible. Card rooms which accomodate THOUSANDS of players EVERY month, are run much better. Those eight, twelve, or seventeen table rooms are the PITS.
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Anyway, this happened to me the other day at Potowatomi in Milwaukee.

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