Homosexuality, Homophobia and Evlolution

[ACPlayer]

Huh?

I doubt if others can elaborate on that non-specific vague statement.

[brad]

new hetero hiv infections increased 50% --- from 5000 cases to 7500, for example.

meanwhile in that case still hetero infections could be a totoal of like 6% of all new hiv infections.

its a common statistical reporting alarmist practice. (sids (sudden infant death syndrome) is up 1000% from 1990 !!, reads the headline. meanwhile that means 1/million in 1990 to 1/100,000 now, not quite the epidemic some would think from the headline.)

p.s. all numbers made up just to explain the concept, obviously

[ACPlayer]

THat study was a break down of the NEW cases of HIV infection reported to the CDC. 35% of the NEW cases were hetero. This was not a baseline comparison.

[brad]

maybe. maybe not. no link provided.

still. even if thats true. think about it.

even if we take the outrageous case that homos are 10% of population,

then adjusted for populations (hetero population 20 times greater than gay men population)

that means that gays are 40 times more likely to be newly diagnosed with hiv than a hetero couple.

which is significant.

of course you could argue that the homo hiv new cases pretty much cover all of them , whereas in the hetero population much hiv is not detected since they dont get tested as much (or at all). but of course that is an opinion and not a fact based argument.

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bottom line. stats u cited say you are 40 times more likely to get hiv if you are a gay male than if you are a hetero. (and this even leaves out risk factors in hetero, such as if their lover was a bisexual male or an iv drug user, or if they dont admit to being or having tried iv drugs.)

[ACPlayer]

CDC study
For the year 2002:

Number of new HIV cases from hetero contact (men+women)= 12413
Number of new HIV cases from homo contact = 16,944

Total adult HIV cases 42044

[brad]

off top of my head homos like 100 times more likely to get hiv, and iv drug users like 10000 times more likely (im assuming iv drug use fairly uncommon) than 'average' 'hetero'.

thats all i meant.

[brad]

the following from cdc pretty much says it all
btw these are estimeates but still they show that gay males have like a 100 (50 times?) times greater risk than straight males. what can i say.
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Male adult or adolescent

Male-to-male sexual contact

16,944


Injection drug use

6,945


Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use

1,898

Heterosexual contact
4,937

[MMMMMM]

"For the year 2002:

Number of new HIV cases from hetero contact (men+women)= 12413
Number of new HIV cases from homo contact = 16,944

Total adult HIV cases 42044"

This just illustrates brad's point, ACPlayer. If the populations of gay and straight were closer to equal, it would be one thing. But they're not. Since the hetero population is perhaps 10 times greater than the homo population, divide the number of hetero cases by 10 (or else multiply the number of homo cases by 10) to get a realistic comparison based on populations. Then it can clearly be seen that homos are at far greater risk (on average).

[brad]

yes but also thats an 'upper bound' that 10% gay figure.

maybe if u include 'college fooling around' (which heavily weights girl-girl) then 10% sure,

but

when it comes to male-male homo sex vis a vis aids risk,

its probably more like 1-2% of population that has that 'equal risk' with heteros.

[ACPlayer]

Well, anal sex is definitely riskier when having sex with an infected partner.

However, I took issue with Brad's view that hetero's who are sexually active can take a slightly more cavalier attitude.

The responsible position should be what i said earlier, all promiscuous people should be taking the same precautions and should be getting tested regularly, regardless of the sexual orientation.