First hand of PP 10+1

[CWolf]

I think you're right. What could he have that would warrant a call on the flop bet? I was thinking AT, AJ at the time, but he would have led out if he had either of those hands.

I don't feel I made an error preflop or on the flop, but I played the turn incorrectly.

Thanks.

[lastchance]

If you check-fold the turn, you suck at poker. You are horribly weak-tight and are just giving away your chips. So, check-folding the turn = horrible. There's one combination of AA, KK, or QQ in the deck. They check-called the flop. There's no way you can put anyone on a hand that beats you on the turn.

Again, DO NOT CHECK-FOLD THE TURN.

I don't like AQ out of position, so I might fold preflop, though calling is reasonable.

After the flop, you lead. You should lead the turn too, with only 2x pot, I might move in.

And I think you have to call the river. It's very likely opponent has a ten, but.... one in 4 times, and he might have a missed flush instead. 1 in 4 is enough to call the river, and you've got high two-pair. I call hoping for the Ace or missed flush draw.

PS. BET THE TURN. DOING ANYTHING ELSE IS HORRIBLE.

[treeofwisdom7]

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If you check-fold the turn, you suck at poker. You are horribly weak-tight and are just giving away your chips. So, check-folding the turn = horrible. There's one combination of AA, KK, or QQ in the deck. They check-called the flop. There's no way you can put anyone on a hand that beats you on the turn.

Again, DO NOT CHECK-FOLD THE TURN.

I don't like AQ out of position, so I might fold preflop, though calling is reasonable.

After the flop, you lead. You should lead the turn too, with only 2x pot, I might move in.

And I think you have to call the river. It's very likely opponent has a ten, but.... one in 4 times, and he might have a missed flush instead. 1 in 4 is enough to call the river, and you've got high two-pair. I call hoping for the Ace or missed flush draw.

PS. BET THE TURN. DOING ANYTHING ELSE IS HORRIBLE.

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oki understand why you think im wrong .. dont check fold dont check fold dont check fold cuz he cant just have these few hands?

well guess what ither way im right and he did have us beat .. oh well guess math and logic is better than being right sometimes..

[lastchance]

Even if he did have you beat, you can't possibly know that on the first hand of a Party $10+1. While check/folding the turn and river would have been good this time, over the long run, it's a moronic play that loses you horrible amounts of chips.

If you don't understand this (and a lot more), you should probably throw away AQ in that situation.

He can have AA, KK, QQ, AK, and JT. But think about it? What do you think is more likely, AT or JT? KJ or JT? KQ or KK?

You really think the guy's got one of those hands that beats you based on his betting pattern? You can eliminate flush draws, straight draws, all sorts of random one pair hands? I think it's easier to eliminate a slowplayed set than top pair.

I don't think anyone can do that in this spot, especially the first hand of a $10+1.

[treeofwisdom7]

i dont think he could have A10 AJ.. hes early postion 1st hand im making him a avg player not a lose one..


heres the range i would put him on.. AAKKQQJJ1010 AK... maybe 99..

JJ101099 why the hell would they call a bet on the flop with JJ101099 unless they are just dumb players..

[lastchance]

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JJ101099 why the hell would they call a bet on the flop with JJ101099 unless they are just dumb players..

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That's what you're missing. They ARE dumb players. Against 2+2er's, you might make me think twice about folding. They're not. Your opponents, by and large, suck at poker. This is where your EV comes from. Fish happen, pick up the chips from them. At the first hand of $10+1, a CO raise could definitely mean AJ or AT, along with all sorts of random stuff.

If I had to guess, the guy has AT, AJ or a hand like flush draw with Ten of diamonds. But I don't guess, because my opponents suck!

[treeofwisdom7]

im shocked if someone did this..

if someone has a similar story to this one please post it.. just so i know its true.. even if its A10 i would think any player fish or not would raise here because of the many draws.. AJ he still would raise.. J10s/o wow cant believe he played this one against me or anyother hand just cant see someone playing it this exact way with any hand that doesnt have you beat..

1) if you have a similar story please share and i'll change my mine.