Negreanu vs Dreamclown match

Negreanu is the worst player we can find that will play the 500-1000 game aside from jimmywins and riverraul. If you dont see why, you either have not watched the match, or do not have enough HU experience or have a weird case of biased selective memory. He is clearly playing the game on the level of a breakeven 10-20 player.



Also about the trashtalking...

I think it makes the game fun and is not classless at all, so give DN (and DC) a break on that one. It's a fun match and no one feels like they're playing high stakes (since out part is split into 1/4ths we're actually playing too low).

What I would hate to see is if DN uses the "you guys have no class and because of that I am not going to play you anymore" excuse. From the little I know about his character
this is entirely possible as soon as he realizes he is being outplayed and his reputation is on the line hurting his business image. I wanted to be the one to point it out before it happens so that he doesn’t leave these matches looking like a champ.

Hopefully I will be posting some replies to your responses. I read that mason malmuth is rooting for us, so that may increase the chance of that happening.

[Victor]

sweet, thanks for starting another thread about this match especially in the forum where likely no one cares.

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sweet, thanks for starting another thread about this match especially in the forum where it might actually result in intelligent discussion

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FYP

[J_V]

Just because you don't care doesn't mean many others don't. I think this type of thread appeals to those that play very high limit shorthanded as well as those that are aspiring to that, and even those that have no intention of ever playing 500-1000, but are simply curious.

It's seems to me a thread where two top level players are sharing thoughts and hands about the biggest game of the internet, we all just might learn something.

[NLfool]

LOL@eugeneel "DN is playing at the 10/20 level"? I think you need lay off the crack.

[Victor]

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Just because you don't care doesn't mean many others don't. I think this type of thread appeals to those that play very high limit shorthanded as well as those that are aspiring to that, and even those that have no intention of ever playing 500-1000, but are simply curious.

It's seems to me a thread where two top level players are sharing thoughts and hands about the biggest game of the internet, we all just might learn something.

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ok, i didnt realize this was gonna be a discussion of hands as the initial post did not indicate this at all. it appeared to be just another summary of all the bs thats goin on and more slinging of insults.

i wouldnt have been harsh if his post was, "hi, lets discuss some hands from our match." rather than, "hi, dn sucks donkey balls and if you dont know why you suck too."

[etizzle]

I didnt watch that much, but yeah it did not seem like DN was playing particularly well. One specific hand I remember DN 3 bet the turn on a AQT3r board, and checked behind on a river 3 with AT. Missing that bet looked pretty bad to me, and if he misses bets in similar situations you(?)/DC will certainly beat him up long term.

Welcome to the forum.

[DrSavage]

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I didnt watch that much, but yeah it did not seem like DN was playing particularly well. One specific hand I remember DN 3 bet the turn on a AQT3r board, and checked behind on a river 3 with AT. Missing that bet looked pretty bad to me, and if he misses bets in similar situations you(?)/DC will certainly beat him up long term.

Welcome to the forum.

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Yeah, he misses a lot of bets. This hand disgusted me:

Texas Hold'em $500-$1000 (real money), #1,644,004,761
Table Dreamclown's HE, 28 Dec 2005 11:29 PM ET
Seat 3: KidPoker ($108,113.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Dreamclown ($41,628.75 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Dreamclown posts blind ($250), KidPoker posts blind ($500).

PRE-FLOP
Dreamclown bets $750, KidPoker bets $1,000, Dreamclown calls $500.

FLOP [board cards JD,8H,AC ]
KidPoker bets $500, Dreamclown calls $500.

TURN [board cards JD,8H,AC,4H ]
KidPoker checks, Dreamclown bets $1,000, KidPoker calls $1,000.

RIVER [board cards JD,8H,AC,4H,5S ]
KidPoker checks, Dreamclown checks.

SHOWDOWN
KidPoker shows [ JC,KC ]
Dreamclown mucks cards [ 10H,QS ]
KidPoker wins $5,999.
SUMMARY
Dealer: Dreamclown
Pot: $6,000, (including rake: $1)
KidPoker, bets $3,000, collects $5,999, net $2,999
Dreamclown, loses $3,000

[jck8]

Yeah, he misses a lot of bets. This hand disgusted me:


Texas Hold'em $500-$1000 (real money), #1,644,004,761
Table Dreamclown's HE, 28 Dec 2005 11:29 PM ET
Seat 3: KidPoker ($108,113.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Dreamclown ($41,628.75 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Dreamclown posts blind ($250), KidPoker posts blind ($500).

PRE-FLOP
Dreamclown bets $750, KidPoker bets $1,000, Dreamclown calls $500.

FLOP [board cards JD,8H,AC ]
KidPoker bets $500, Dreamclown calls $500.

TURN [board cards JD,8H,AC,4H ]
KidPoker checks, Dreamclown bets $1,000, KidPoker calls $1,000.

RIVER [board cards JD,8H,AC,4H,5S ]
KidPoker checks, Dreamclown checks.

SHOWDOWN
KidPoker shows [ JC,KC ]
Dreamclown mucks cards [ 10H,QS ]
KidPoker wins $5,999.
SUMMARY
Dealer: Dreamclown
Pot: $6,000, (including rake: $1)
KidPoker, bets $3,000, collects $5,999, net $2,999
Dreamclown, loses $3,000

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why? seems reasonable to me

[DrSavage]

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why? seems reasonable to me

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Nowhere in this hand should it say "KidPoker checks".