Lindgren's JJ Hand

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Any comments on the play of this hand?

Ok, so he smoothcalls an early raise. Almost the whole table comes in. BB puts in a big raise.

Now, I know I can see the BB's cards on TV but doesn't it seem suspicious that an aggressive BB picks up a big hand with so many smoothcallers?

Just thought, it was a real good time to go all in. Chad Brown didn't portray real strength with his call.

Any comments?

[Sean D]

Obviously he played the hand poorly. Maybe he was trying to keep the pot small and play against the raiser. Little did he know the whole table would come in behind him. Then when the BB makes a raise, Lindgren must think he has a big hand because he is raising into 6 other players. So maybe he was playing the hand for set value. Who knows. But I do know he donked the hand pretty badly.

[JimHammer]

I was thinking it was a little strange that he didn't push as well. This was kind of early in the broadcast when he didn't have a lot of chips. He was probably planning on someone reraising and then he would push, but everyone limped to Tran. Once he raised and was called by Brown, the pot may have been too big for a push to get anyone off a hand.

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Any comments on the play of this hand?

Ok, so he smoothcalls an early raise. Almost the whole table comes in. BB puts in a big raise.

Now, I know I can see the BB's cards on TV but doesn't it seem suspicious that an aggressive BB picks up a big hand with so many smoothcallers?

Just thought, it was a real good time to go all in. Chad Brown didn't portray real strength with his call.

Any comments?

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change of gears, but really no reason to go allin ever! Eric knows his skill level is better then most of the table, so why put all his money in with jj. this isnt a party sng. he has plenty of bb, and will ethier win a huge pot when a j flops or a small when it dosent.

really simple reasoning

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Obviously he played the hand poorly. Maybe he was trying to keep the pot small and play against the raiser. Little did he know the whole table would come in behind him. Then when the BB makes a raise, Lindgren must think he has a big hand because he is raising into 6 other players. So maybe he was playing the hand for set value. Who knows. But I do know he donked the hand pretty badly.

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played the hand poorly??? the only thing poor is your understanding of tourtament play. jj isnt a big hand especially in early pos. he played it for to win a big pot or lose a blind or 2.

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I was thinking it was a little strange that he didn't push as well. This was kind of early in the broadcast when he didn't have a lot of chips. He was probably planning on someone reraising and then he would push, but everyone limped to Tran. Once he raised and was called by Brown, the pot may have been too big for a push to get anyone off a hand.

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This isnt a party sng... he had plenty of bb and there is no reason to risk his whole tourt on jj in early pos. what if the raiser has a real hand, or a limper... game over(or a coin flip) he is a skilled playerand knew he could wait.

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I was thinking it was a little strange that he didn't push as well. This was kind of early in the broadcast when he didn't have a lot of chips. He was probably planning on someone reraising and then he would push, but everyone limped to Tran. Once he raised and was called by Brown, the pot may have been too big for a push to get anyone off a hand.

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This isnt a party sng... he had plenty of bb and there is no reason to risk his whole tourt on jj in early pos. what if the raiser has a real hand, or a limper... game over(or a coin flip) he is a skilled playerand knew he could wait.

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Your logic here is very poorly thought through. Under most circumstances JJ is a great hand to get your money in with, but here was an exception. Brown either limped or made a small raise which Eric called. Everyone else came in, and then the LOOSEST player at the table made a raise, which Chad Brown called, putting the action back on Eric. In this situation, given the betting, Eric has Chad and every other player beaten preflop except the BB at least 98% of the time, and this is not an exaggeration. Given the play on Tran, JJ had excellent equity against his range of hands, not to mention the HUGE overlay Lingren gets on a push because of dead money in the pot. If you are going to confidently assert that this hand was played well, you need to think it through better. Eric is one of the best players in the world, but this hand was clearly butchered.

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I was thinking it was a little strange that he didn't push as well. This was kind of early in the broadcast when he didn't have a lot of chips. He was probably planning on someone reraising and then he would push, but everyone limped to Tran. Once he raised and was called by Brown, the pot may have been too big for a push to get anyone off a hand.

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This isnt a party sng... he had plenty of bb and there is no reason to risk his whole tourt on jj in early pos. what if the raiser has a real hand, or a limper... game over(or a coin flip) he is a skilled playerand knew he could wait.

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Your logic here is very poorly thought through. Under most circumstances JJ is a great hand to get your money in with, but here was an exception. Brown either limped or made a small raise which Eric called. Everyone else came in, and then the LOOSEST player at the table made a raise, which Chad Brown called, putting the action back on Eric. In this situation, given the betting, Eric has Chad and every other player beaten preflop except the BB at least 98% of the time, and this is not an exaggeration. Given the play on Tran, JJ had excellent equity against his range of hands, not to mention the HUGE overlay Lingren gets on a push because of dead money in the pot. If you are going to confidently assert that this hand was played well, you need to think it through better. Eric is one of the best players in the world, but this hand was clearly butchered.

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98% of the time... y not 97? or 99? (does this include slight edge coin flips) really no logic behind this number.

Get all his chips in with jj when he has a large enough stack to play the hand comfortably. sorry eric wont risk his tourt like most skilled players on a coin flip. instead he played the hand. saw a horrible flop and layed down the hand correctly. In this particular hand, because u could see all of his opponents hands, could he have pushed and took the pot down... yes. do u really think that’s true 98 percent of the time?

this brings to mind ivey getting all his chips in with jj only to be called by a preflop limped kk, didn’t you guys give him crap for that?

u think if a player doesn’t bet when he’s ahead cause you can see the hand as a bad play.

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I was thinking it was a little strange that he didn't push as well. This was kind of early in the broadcast when he didn't have a lot of chips. He was probably planning on someone reraising and then he would push, but everyone limped to Tran. Once he raised and was called by Brown, the pot may have been too big for a push to get anyone off a hand.

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This isnt a party sng... he had plenty of bb and there is no reason to risk his whole tourt on jj in early pos. what if the raiser has a real hand, or a limper... game over(or a coin flip) he is a skilled playerand knew he could wait.

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Your logic here is very poorly thought through. Under most circumstances JJ is a great hand to get your money in with, but here was an exception. Brown either limped or made a small raise which Eric called. Everyone else came in, and then the LOOSEST player at the table made a raise, which Chad Brown called, putting the action back on Eric. In this situation, given the betting, Eric has Chad and every other player beaten preflop except the BB at least 98% of the time, and this is not an exaggeration. Given the play on Tran, JJ had excellent equity against his range of hands, not to mention the HUGE overlay Lingren gets on a push because of dead money in the pot. If you are going to confidently assert that this hand was played well, you need to think it through better. Eric is one of the best players in the world, but this hand was clearly butchered.

Gabe

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98% of the time... y not 97? or 99? (does this include slight edge coin flips) really no logic behind this number.

Get all his chips in with jj when he has a large enough stack to play the hand comfortably. sorry eric wont risk his tourt like most skilled players on a coin flip. instead he played the hand. saw a horrible flop and layed down the hand correctly. In this particular hand, because u could see all of his opponents hands, could he have pushed and took the pot down... yes. do u really think that’s true 98 percent of the time?

this brings to mind ivey getting all his chips in with jj only to be called by a preflop limped kk, didn’t you guys give him crap for that?

u think if a player doesn’t bet when he’s ahead cause you can see the hand as a bad play.

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First of all i meant to say that JJ is not usually a good hand to get your money in with in my OP. The point here is, Chad Brown doesnt limp call a raise UTG with any hand better than JJ, just as no one limps after 2 limpers with any hand better than JJ. The only person who could pose a threat was Tran, who raised out of the BB, but given his style of play, JJ has great equity against his range here. What can you refute about this?

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I was thinking it was a little strange that he didn't push as well. This was kind of early in the broadcast when he didn't have a lot of chips. He was probably planning on someone reraising and then he would push, but everyone limped to Tran. Once he raised and was called by Brown, the pot may have been too big for a push to get anyone off a hand.

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This isnt a party sng... he had plenty of bb and there is no reason to risk his whole tourt on jj in early pos. what if the raiser has a real hand, or a limper... game over(or a coin flip) he is a skilled playerand knew he could wait.

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Your logic here is very poorly thought through. Under most circumstances JJ is a great hand to get your money in with, but here was an exception. Brown either limped or made a small raise which Eric called. Everyone else came in, and then the LOOSEST player at the table made a raise, which Chad Brown called, putting the action back on Eric. In this situation, given the betting, Eric has Chad and every other player beaten preflop except the BB at least 98% of the time, and this is not an exaggeration. Given the play on Tran, JJ had excellent equity against his range of hands, not to mention the HUGE overlay Lingren gets on a push because of dead money in the pot. If you are going to confidently assert that this hand was played well, you need to think it through better. Eric is one of the best players in the world, but this hand was clearly butchered.

Gabe

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98% of the time... y not 97? or 99? (does this include slight edge coin flips) really no logic behind this number.

Get all his chips in with jj when he has a large enough stack to play the hand comfortably. sorry eric wont risk his tourt like most skilled players on a coin flip. instead he played the hand. saw a horrible flop and layed down the hand correctly. In this particular hand, because u could see all of his opponents hands, could he have pushed and took the pot down... yes. do u really think that’s true 98 percent of the time?

this brings to mind ivey getting all his chips in with jj only to be called by a preflop limped kk, didn’t you guys give him crap for that?

u think if a player doesn’t bet when he’s ahead cause you can see the hand as a bad play.

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First of all i meant to say that JJ is not usually a good hand to get your money in with in my OP. The point here is, Chad Brown doesnt limp call a raise UTG with any hand better than JJ, just as no one limps after 2 limpers with any hand better than JJ. The only person who could pose a threat was Tran, who raised out of the BB, but given his style of play, JJ has great equity against his range here. What can you refute about this?

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i though i did in my first post any of them could be playing a hand thats about even money with eric. more over tran is very unpredicable and could have him dominated. Your first post lacked all logic!

and even if your right(which your not cause many players are willing to change gears and limp with a big hand looking for a raise especailly with tran at the table) it still wouldnt make erics play worng...just different. yours has a small pot now erics a big pot in the long run.