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12-19-2005, 03:41 AM
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Re: Thank God for Roosevelt thru Bush 41
If it wasn't for Lincoln, the entire country...well, it wouldn't be a country anymore.
Do you also think that we're a republic, not a democracy? You have a membership card in the John Birch Society? 
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#3
12-19-2005, 07:27 AM
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Re: Thank God for Roosevelt thru Bush 41
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No, FDR stopped the great depression and also played a kew role in winning WWII. He was totally aweseome. [/ QUOTE ] Well, you have confirmed that you have an elementary understanding of American history, but I had already picked that up from your previous posts. [ QUOTE ] If it wasn't for Lincoln, the entire country...well, it wouldn't be a country anymore. [/ QUOTE ] More proof of your all or nothing view of historical topics. Lincoln was not indispensible. For the record, both FDR and Lincoln were good presidents, but time and war cured the depression, and the northerners who elected Lincoln made the decision to put a stop to the growth of slavery and keep the country united. by the way, has anyone discussed the parellels between Lincolon (habeus corpus) and Bush (wire tapping)?
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#4
12-19-2005, 10:37 AM
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Re: Thank God for Roosevelt thru Bush 41
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If it wasn't for Lincoln, the entire country...well, it wouldn't be a country anymore. [/ QUOTE ] And why is that desirable? Is it bad that the USSR dissolved? Lincoln is worse than FDR in my book. He murdered 600,000 americans in a war of conquest against a nation that espoused the same concepts the US originally did with the Declaration of Independence. His motivation was nothing less than the most noble goal of mercantilism, the most wrongheaded economic policy this nation had ever seen. He gave legitimacy to the barbaric concept of total war. He ushered in the era of big government - the first true manifestation of Hamilton's twisted vision of big central government.
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#5
12-19-2005, 12:30 PM
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Re: Thank God for Roosevelt thru Bush 41
"And why is that desirable? Is it bad that the USSR dissolved?" According to a growing number of the former inhabitants, yes.
But wait, I always forget in your little "AC" fantasy camp, everyone behaves exactly how you DICTATE they will.
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#6
12-19-2005, 12:36 PM
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Re: Thank God for Roosevelt thru Bush 41
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[ QUOTE ] If it wasn't for Lincoln, the entire country...well, it wouldn't be a country anymore. [/ QUOTE ] And why is that desirable? Is it bad that the USSR dissolved? [/ QUOTE ] What do you think the world would look like today if there were both a USA and a CSA? Would the CSA still have slavery, or just some form of Jim Crow? How would it affect the economies of both? How would it affect the outcomes of foreign wars like WWII, etc.? I think the world would be a lot worse off.
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#7
12-19-2005, 12:55 PM
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Re: Thank God for Roosevelt thru Bush 41
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He murdered 600,000 americans in a war of conquest against a nation that espoused the same concepts the US originally did with the Declaration of Independence. [/ QUOTE ] Technically, the South started the war at Ft. Sumter. And that "nation" espoused slavery, something you don't seem to like.
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#8
12-19-2005, 01:37 PM
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Re: Thank God for Roosevelt thru Bush 41
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[ QUOTE ] He murdered 600,000 americans in a war of conquest against a nation that espoused the same concepts the US originally did with the Declaration of Independence. [/ QUOTE ] Technically, the South started the war at Ft. Sumter. And that "nation" espoused slavery, something you don't seem to like. [/ QUOTE ] The US had forces in CS teritorry and refused to remove them. Are you guilty of a crime if you find a trespasser on your territory and act to remove him? As for slavery, the US espoused slavery at the time of the Declaration. Lincoln had no intentions of ending slavery. He's on record as saying the white race is superior, and that his goal is to re-unify. He did say he would end slavery if that would help him achieve his goal, but he would also continue it if that would help him achieve his goal. Slavery is a side issue. It existed all over the world, and ended (on a large scale, at least) world wide without bloody multi-year conflicts.
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#9
12-19-2005, 01:43 PM
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Re: Thank God for Roosevelt thru Bush 41
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The US had forces in CS teritorry and refused to remove them. Are you guilty of a crime if you find a trespasser on your territory and act to remove him? [/ QUOTE ] They were in U.S. territory when the CS declared them CS territory. Would you be trespassing if while you were standing somewhere someone came up to you and said "I claim that spot you're standing on. Get off."? [ QUOTE ] Lincoln had no intentions of ending slavery. [/ QUOTE ] He also had no intentions of letting it spread into new territories. [ QUOTE ] Slavery is a side issue. It existed all over the world, and ended (on a large scale, at least) world wide without bloody multi-year conflicts. [/ QUOTE ] Perhaps it ended world wide because of our bloody multi-year conflict?
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#10
12-19-2005, 03:53 PM
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Re: Thank God for Roosevelt thru Bush 41
[ QUOTE ] Slavery is a side issue. It existed all over the world, and ended (on a large scale, at least) world wide without bloody multi-year conflicts. [/ QUOTE ] Perhaps it ended world wide because of our bloody multi-year conflict? [/ QUOTE ] Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the US was probably the last of the western nations to abolish slavery. Prior to the invention of the cotton gin American cotton was getting to expensive to produce even with slaves as compared to North African cotton. After the invention of the cotton gin, slavery had its second wind in America Before all of this, England and France, the two other major colonial powers, had abolished slavery in their colonies.
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