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Old 12-27-2005, 02:13 PM
Dave D Dave D is offline
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Default Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants

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Why do you lead out at the flop?

Seems like an odd move to me, you didn't reraise pf, and you wouldn't lead out with a T (of course you might, but I'm saying from the villain's perspective in this hand). From his POV, I think it looks like you have nothing or mid-pockets.

If you want to make a move on the flop, I think a CR would have been a lot better.

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I led out for info basically. A c/r would probably have to be all in from me, and would probably just commit her to calling right? Insert citation of that thread from a few months back about the call flop lead turn line b/c c/ring just committs people so it's bad to bluff with.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants

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Why do you lead out at the flop?

Seems like an odd move to me, you didn't reraise pf, and you wouldn't lead out with a T (of course you might, but I'm saying from the villain's perspective in this hand). From his POV, I think it looks like you have nothing or mid-pockets.

If you want to make a move on the flop, I think a CR would have been a lot better.

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I led out for info basically. A c/r would probably have to be all in from me, and would probably just commit her to calling right? Insert citation of that thread from a few months back about the call flop lead turn line b/c c/ring just committs people so it's bad to bluff with.

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I think the thread you're talking about is an alternative to checkraising (with a good hand.) Because, in his example, checkraising wouldnt commit the villain, but calling and leading the turn, disguises your hand, and may force him to pay you off.

In this spot, you don't want to be called, and the villain is very likely to be raising your lead. Checkraising the flop maximizes you FE in this hand.
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:08 PM
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Dave,

Being the aggressor is the key to winning with hands like AQ. You know that most flops are going to miss both you and Villain, and you want to be the one raking in the pot when that happens. Even if the flop hits Villain, KT6, says, she'll be hard-pressed to call a push when you've re-raised her. And, of course, you'll have 10 outs if she does call.

Think about the effect your line will have on Villain. You're 95% sure your hand is best pre-flop. After the flop, it sounds like your plan is to induce a fold whenever Villain misses. In other words, you are planning on "bluffing" the flop, even though most of the time Villain folds, you are ahead anyway. This allows Villain to play perfectly: you hand her your stack when she's ahead, and you give her a red flag when she's beat. If you re-raise pre-flop, Villain will often call or push with a hand you dominate, and when she folds, she'll often be getting at least close to the correct odds to call.
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:29 PM
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Default Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants

Yes, I overthought this hand and went too far w/ the whole calling idea (which I'd do w/ KK/AA etc as I mentioned). Duly noted, will raise next time.

Me and AQ only recently got together, it's a very shaky relationship right now but I'm starting to deal better.
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