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Old 12-13-2005, 12:32 AM
Octopus Octopus is offline
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Default Deranged made me forget Clarkmeister

I had Deranged's recent post (link) on my mind when this hand came up. The villain here is completely different from the one in his hand, however.

Party 2/4 - 10 handed

Folded to me three off the button. I open with black tens. The button and the BB call. The button has yet to fold pre-flop in an orbit and a half.

Flop is Q52 all clubs. I bet and the button calls. BB folds.

Turn pairs 2s. I bet and button raises. I call.

River is 7 clubs. I check/call.

Thoughts on the river?
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Old 12-13-2005, 01:19 AM
jason_t jason_t is offline
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Default Re: Deranged made me forget Clarkmeister

You only apply Clarkmeister when you have the lead.
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Old 12-13-2005, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: Deranged made me forget Clarkmeister

Seems like you should have folded the turn if you weren't sure the ten of clubs would hold up on the river.
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Old 12-13-2005, 01:43 AM
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Default Re: Deranged made me forget Clarkmeister

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Seems like you should have folded the turn if you weren't sure the ten of clubs would hold up on the river.

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I would have called the turn and raised the river, but this is a great point.
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Old 12-13-2005, 09:13 AM
Octopus Octopus is offline
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Default Re: Deranged made me forget Clarkmeister

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Seems like you should have folded the turn if you weren't sure the ten of clubs would hold up on the river.

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I wasn't even sure I didn't have the best hand on the turn. This villain could have anything.

Also, I do not remember anyhthing about being in the lead being a part of Clarkmeister's Theorem. It only required that 1) you are heads up, 2) you are out of position, and 3) a fourth flush card comes on the river.
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Old 12-13-2005, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: Deranged made me forget Clarkmeister

Clarkmeister's theorem as best i can remember is if headsup and a fourth card of a suit comes you bet no matter what cards you hold.

edit to mention the OOP thing.
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