Thin Value Bet?: NL $400

[Big_Jim]

BB is a 2+2er. Seems to play well. 21/7/2.5 after about 1800 hands. Probably not paying too much attention, though, and plays a bit tight, due to multitabling.
MP is about 30/15/2 after about 100 hands. Haven't noticed anything terribly donking from him.

Hero has been playing fairly LAG.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

MP ($569.8)
CO ($256.53)
Hero ($1033.93)
SB ($512.7)
BB ($710.6)
UTG ($333.83)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $4, CO calls $4, Hero calls $4, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($20) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $8</font>, MP calls $8, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $60</font>, SB folds, BB calls $52, MP calls $52.

Turn: ($200) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...</font>

Is this a bet? How much? What worse hands are paying me off here?

If they have been paying much attention, they should know that I hate getting checked to twice.

EDIT: Somehow... the starting hand was not right....
Was J8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], now Q8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[ansky451]

I'd have bet the turn, but if I checked....

100-150 looks good. I highly highly doubt better 2 pair is checking here, and most kings probably call the river bet. Especially if you would have taken the raise flop, check turn line with a big draw.

[ajmargarine]

I'd like to hear the reasoning for not betting turn there. I can't see not betting that turn given the preceding action.

[jjb108]

Since you're LAGing it up, I bet here. Good chance you get called by a worse hand. It'll look like you missed your flush after a semibluff.

I'd bet how much you bet on a river "bluff" earlier. Me I like a slight overbet of the pot to make it fishy.

If noone calls, you "stole" another one. Always a plus. They'll pay off your big hand later.

[Big_Jim]

Somehow... my starting hand was wrong.... it has been fixed.

[PoBoy321]

I don't like a value bet here. Unless you think BB will pay you off with KT, which I doubt, and MP won't call with a busted draw, so it doesn't look like you're gonna get called anyway, so I might throw out lik $50-100, but that's just because I don't think anything will pay you off otherwise.

[-Skeme-]

Check.

[soah]

All I can say about this hand with much certainty is that BB's flop play is damn weird. Bet 40% pot and then just call that monstrous raise?

I'm not really seeing how you can get value from the river here. You have two opponents to deal with, and their basic hand ranges on the flop were:

A) Set
B) Top pair
C) Draw

Sets don't fold on the river. Top pair could easily have turned into two pair, and even if BB somehow has exactly AK, he has to fear two pair from you at this point. Not sure how much you'll be able to get from either of them with top pair now. And if they were on a draw then they fold.

It's confusing that they both checked the river (it makes it likely your hand is good), but then again I found the flop confusing as well. Usually if I'm declining a free showdown, I'd like to have some sort of idea of what my opponents have, and here I'm pretty confused.

[crosse91]

do you normally bet 2x the pot on strong draws?

[Big_Jim]

Pot size before my raise:

$20 + $8 + $8 + $8 = $44

Pot sized raise = $52

My raise = 1.15X a pot sized raise