I don't see any topics about ratboy's big laydown

KSOT · #1 07-27-2005, 04:34 AM

I don't think I've ever seen anyone fold pocket queens pre-flop before. I've seen jacks, but not queens. I was amazed at that one.

donny5k · #2 07-27-2005, 04:42 AM

If there's three raises in front of you, only play aces or kings is the typical rule. It's even in Harrington's book. Also, I've heard of people folding queens to just a raise and a big reraise in front of them before, correctly.

Python49 · #3 07-27-2005, 05:03 AM

no topics because it wasn't that hard of a laydown.

kasey2004 · #4 07-27-2005, 05:10 AM

Ya, I think this is a pretty standard laydown.

Difficult for newbs and maybe some experiance people even, but there was an opening raise - re-raise - all in. I think u only can call with aces against these opponents.

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KSOT · #5 07-27-2005, 05:15 AM

Oh, I thought it was only 2 raises in front.

kasey2004 · #6 07-27-2005, 05:17 AM

well i think 9Ts opened (maybe limped) then The raise with KK and i think JJ pushed, however i might be slightly off.

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KSOT · #7 07-27-2005, 05:21 AM

I still don't see how it's easy to lay down the 3rd best hand in that spot. How could you put one of them on KK or AA so confidently?

HamJam · #8 07-27-2005, 05:23 AM

This isn't a Party freeroll. An open and a reraise may happen once in a while, but an open, a reraise and a re-reraise (all by different players) is very rare and 99% of the time one of them has the goods.

KSOT · #9 07-27-2005, 05:28 AM

So was the first a limp or a raise? Seems important.

MicroBob · #10 07-27-2005, 05:48 AM

it didn't have to be AA or KK either.
He has to believe that AK might be out there. Yeah...he would be getting 50/50 against that guy with a lot of extra money in the pot drawing much thinner.

But, for the most, you have to figure the chances that KK or AA are out there are high enough to warrant not taking a chance.
Were they 7 or 6 handed or so when this happened.
If he looking at 2 other players possibly getting eliminated (he doesn't know that JT is going to fold yet...it might be 4-handed if he calls)?

He's looking at a lot of money between 7th to 5th or even 6th to 4th I imagine.

But, mostly it was just pretty standard. Even Lon and Norm acknowledged that he made it VERY quickly.

I've made similar lay-downs on pokerstars FWIW.
Sometimes it turned out that the other guys had A4 vs. JJ...my QQ would have been good. But what can you do?
Other times it's KK vs. AA or AK or something.
Either way, I'm looking at two big stacks going nuts and I only have queens.

It's a good lay-down. But it's not the end-all-be-all of spectacular pre-flop lay-downs imo.
Lots of players would lay-down Q's there.

I thought Lindgren's laydown with QT on a board of KTxK against his Nick's 33 was far more interesting.
I didn't see the betting though so I'll be paying a bit more attention to that hand when I catch one of the 7 zillion re-runs.