Jacks look good at the flop, but the betting is scary...

KSOT · #1 05-26-2005, 05:12 PM

Ultimate Bet 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG (poster) checks, Hero raises, 4 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG raises, Hero calls, CO calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls, BB folds.

River: (11.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

What do you think about THAT one?

Nick Royale · #2 05-26-2005, 05:14 PM

3-bet the flop.

shadow29 · #3 05-26-2005, 05:15 PM

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3-bet the flop.

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You're a champion today, Nick.

Jakesta · #4 05-26-2005, 05:16 PM

3bet flop and go from there.

KSOT · #5 05-26-2005, 05:16 PM

I was a milisecond away from clicking raise there, but... the UTG was a pretty good player I thought and I was worried.

KSOT · #6 05-26-2005, 05:18 PM

I really don't get it. Why should I 3-bet a flop if I really feel I'm beat? How is that not spewing? I'm thinking maybe I should've just folded there.

Nick Royale · #7 05-26-2005, 05:20 PM

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I was a milisecond away from clicking raise there, but... the UTG was a pretty good player I thought and I was worried.

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A good player will not only raise better hands than JJ here. Far from.

Kumubou · #8 05-26-2005, 05:20 PM

Uh, what happened to the read you posted? I doubt he is a good player; he posted UTG. That just is not smart. Or maybe he misclicked.

(Note: the following advice was given with the read that UTG was a calling station to the extreme, with a one-button client).

This screams 'random lucksack two pair,' maybe a flopped set. Against two pair, you have a perceived 11 outs, but 6 of them fill him up, so 5 are clean -- but you do not know which card it is (not cool!). On the turn, that increases to 8 clean odds and even odds to fill up if the board pairs. If he doesn't fill up, you win. If he has a set, you have two clean outs.

You are getting 11.5:2 on this flop call, plus at least two more big bets to go to showdown -- and this guy has no fold button, so you are not winning this hand otherwise. You have somewhere between 2 and 4-ish outs; I fold this cheese on the flop given that this is the one time this blue moon that the raiser found something other than the 'call any' button.

An aside: if this is some random unknown donk, I three-bet this flop, especially since he seems uber-clueless and posted UTG (wow).

-K

Jakesta · #9 05-26-2005, 05:20 PM

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I really don't get it. Why should I 3-bet a flop if I really feel I'm beat? How is that not spewing? I'm thinking maybe I should've just folded there.

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Most people will raise the flop with top pair. You have an overpair. UTG could be raising A9s or K9s here, thinking that his nines are best. 3bet it and if it is capped then call it down.

SomethingClever · #10 05-26-2005, 05:23 PM

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I'm thinking maybe I should've just folded there.

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Folding there would be awful. 3-bet, lead the turn.