What do you think about raising this turn?

QTip · #1 10-04-2005, 10:55 AM

MP is loose and fairly aggressive

UTG is semi-loose and fairly aggressive

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, MP calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero ?

Derek in NYC · #2 10-04-2005, 11:02 AM

I did this very move yesterday night. Unless you're unlucky and villain flopped a set, you wont get re-raised. The move is nice because while raising the turn won't win you the pot if you're behind, it will: (a) get you to showdown for the same price as check-calling, and (b) give you the opportunity for a value bet/raise if you draw out.

krishanleong · #3 10-04-2005, 11:02 AM

I don't like it much.

Why did you relinquish the lead on the flop?

Krishan - 86

DMBFan23 · #4 10-04-2005, 11:04 AM

no flop bet?

I probably would not raise the turn, it just seems like MP has a pair of something after the action on the flop + turn. the flow of the hand is weird though cause I'm used to seeing the flop bet.

QTip · #5 10-04-2005, 11:13 AM

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Why did you relinquish the lead on the flop?

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ok..

Why am I betting this flop? And if you do bet the flop, are you betting a turn blank if they both call?

Great day of learning for me here today....thanks.

Derek in NYC · #6 10-04-2005, 11:18 AM

If you raise the flop, do you bet the turn and check behind on the river UI? I think you get c/red a reasonable number of times on the turn when you do that. OTOH, maybe I raise this flop also--it's certainly not out of line. Recently, I've taken to a lot more "delayed aggression" tactics, since flop raises are way more suspect. Which is why I liked your HU play in the other thread a lot against a TAG.

krishanleong · #7 10-04-2005, 11:20 AM

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ok..

Why am I betting this flop? And if you do bet the flop, are you betting a turn blank if they both call?

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You are betting this flop for value. If they both call, it depends on read as to whether I bet or check but I most likely check. If I picked up a gutshot like you did in this hand, I definitely call. Otherwise I probably call.

Anything in this can change based on reads.

Krishan - 88

Lost Wages · #8 10-04-2005, 11:21 AM

I don't see any value in raising the turn. MP has a pair that he will never fold and UTG isn't folding anything that you want to fold.

I'd bet the non-scary flop against just 2 opponents.

Lost Wages

krishanleong · #9 10-04-2005, 11:23 AM

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If you raise the flop, do you bet the turn and check behind on the river UI? I think you get c/red a reasonable number of times on the turn when you do that. OTOH, maybe I raise this flop also--it's certainly not out of line. Recently, I've taken to a lot more "delayed aggression" tactics, since flop raises are way more suspect. Which is why I liked your HU play in the other thread a lot against a TAG.

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I'm advocating a bet on the flop. I'm not sure what you are asking.

Krishan

Derek in NYC · #10 10-04-2005, 11:40 AM

Oops, I read this whole hand wrong, and thought he was on the button and had last action.

I would change my response. I would bet the flop and the turn, and call a raise on the turn.

I wouldn't c/r the turn with the overs and the gutshot.