River action?

[Joe Tall]

20/40 Foxwoods...same game as the Flop action post. I am on the button just after the 85s SB hand.

6 limpers to me and I limp w/6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] both blinds come along.

8 to the flop for 8SBs:

K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG bets out, nealy asleep kid calls, 2 others call, I call, a blind calls, 6 to the turn for 6.8BBs:

Turn: Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

It's checked around.

River: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG bets out again, now the asleep-kid wakes up and raises as UTG mutters to his side of the table, "s.o.b., didn't see the spades". Let is be noted: when I was in the BB w/K2 and the flop was raised and cold called, UTG in this hand said, "does everyone have a King??" and called, to show K7s at the showdown.

I... <font color="white"> called 2 cold</font>

[W. Deranged]

I think you'll win often enough (20%) to merit throwing in the 2 BB, but I don't think you have a value edge here so I think raising is bad.

The tough question is what to do if it's three-bet and it's one bet back to you. I think you can fold pretty easily if it's three-bet and capped and it's two back to you.

Why didnt you raise the flop?

[Joe Tall]

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Why didnt you raise the flop?

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I'm not drawing the nuts and I don't like getting 3-bet with a 6-high flush draw.

[bobdibble]

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Why didnt you raise the flop?

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I'm not drawing the nuts and I don't like getting 3-bet with a 6-high flush draw.

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Isn't that kind of weak/tight? The game is short handed and you are worried about a higher flush draw? Why not raise for a free card.. and if 3-bet, cap for a free card?

If you are going to be worried about not drawing to the nuts, I'm not sure why you would limp with this hand.

p.s. I know that you are a better player than me, so hopefully you will point out any flaws in my logic here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Joe Tall]

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The game is short handed and you are worried about a higher flush draw?

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We took 8 to the flop so we are not shorthanded not sure if this changes your thought process but it needs to be noted.

[private joker]

My gut is telling me to fold. Calling might not even get you to showdown.

[Joe Tall]

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Why not raise for a free card.. and if 3-bet, cap for a free card?


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If the EP flop better 3-bets, he may knock out the flop callers between making my raise much less profitable.

[bobdibble]

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Why not raise for a free card.. and if 3-bet, cap for a free card?


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If the EP flop better 3-bets, he may knock out the flop callers between making my raise much less profitable.

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Only if more than 2 fold though. From the way you described the table, these guys sound like they like to call.

If you are not going to raise here for a free card, I'm not sure when you ever would because you always run the risk of the original raiser 3-betting and knocking people out.

Do you only raise for a free card when you are also raising to protect/buy outs with something like Axs where you are trying to clean up your ace?

[Aces McGee]

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If you are going to be worried about not drawing to the nuts, I'm not sure why you would limp with this hand.

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I'm interested in the answer to this, as well.

-McGee