AA level one play along with me

70-100

I push. If it were heads up, I might just call or make a weird raise amount less than all in.

[lorinda]

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HERO.....?

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Lori

A bet, your call, then two all ins on the flop. At a 33 I have to give at least one of those all ins credit for a set. If I were in the actual game, I probably couldn't force myself to fold. Realistically, though, one of them has to have better than a pair.

[TheNoodleMan]

NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Level:1 Blinds(10/15) 2005
Table Table 15075 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: leaf27 ( $825 )
Seat 1: imaloser777 ( $740 )
Seat 9: <font color="red"> HERO </font> ( $800 )
Seat 8: muthr_muckr ( $785 )
Seat 5: seanp10 ( $800 )
Seat 3: Ty1510 ( $1035 )
Seat 6: ifoh210 ( $800 )
Seat 7: chale167 ( $640 )
Seat 2: jwink26 ( $790 )
Seat 4: panaj ( $785 )
Trny:16129518 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to <font color="red"> HERO </font> [ As Ah ]
ifoh210 calls [15].
chale167 folds.
muthr_muckr calls [15].
&gt;You have options at Table 11606 Table!.
<font color="red"> HERO </font> raises [80].
leaf27 folds.
imaloser777 folds.
jwink26 folds.
Ty1510 calls [80].
panaj folds.
seanp10 calls [65].
ifoh210 calls [65].
muthr_muckr folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 8s, 5d ]
seanp10 checks.
&gt;You have options at Table 11224 Table!.
ifoh210 bets [250].
<font color="red"> HERO </font> calls [250].
Ty1510 is all-In.
seanp10 is all-In.
&gt;You have options at Table 11224 Table!.
ifoh210 folds.
&gt;You have options at Table 11606 Table!.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
<font color="red"> HERO </font> folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
seanp10 shows [ 8c, 8h ] three of a kind, eights.
Ty1510 shows [ 5c, 5s ] three of a kind, fives.
Ty1510 wins 235 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, fives.
seanp10 wins 2285 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, eights.

<font color="blue">Ok, it seems that my play went away from the consensus when I called the t250 bet on the flop.
In this situation, my greatest fear is a set. My preflop raise (which didn't limit the field nearly as much as I would have hoped) should be enough to greatly reduce the chance of a donk hitting a ragged 2 pair. Obviously I can't toss away an overpair, but with 2 palyers yet to act, pushing is going to be near suicidal if one of the remaining players has a set. Those of you who advocate pushing the flop, it seems that you are too focused on the player that is betting, IMO. Calling on this uncoordinated board allows me to a chance to see what is going on behind me without losing my entire stack. If the action behind me is fierce (as was the case in this hand) then I am able to get away from this hand with 470 of my original 800 chips. While this is a substantial hit, it is not a death sentence.
For those that would push over the top of the 250 lead on the flop, what am I protecting against? Is it really worth it to use all my chips to protect against ifoh210's 2-3 outer (at best) when there are 2 players yet to act (the second of which was getting some pretty good implied odds to hit a set)?</font>

[lorinda]

The push is protecting against you generating the fierce action behind you.

The way things went, I would have probably also folded, but I would be wondering if it went that way because my call had made the pot so big.

Lori

[TheNoodleMan]

I can see your point, and I wonder myself what I would have done if there was one all in behind me instead of two (or even scarier another call followed by a push).
I think if there had been only one push behind me, I would have called, FWIW. But I still don't see pushing against this board gaining ev over calling in this spot. I am very open to other perspectives on this though, as I think this is an easy place to get caught up on the wrong side of a big hand.

[Pete H]

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Obviously I can't toss away an overpair, but with 2 palyers yet to act, pushing is going to be near suicidal if one of the remaining players has a set.

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Most of the time they don't hit their sets. Sometimes they do and then I'll lose all of my chips, but with AA I want all of my chips in ASAP.

I'm pushing here.

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Those of you who advocate pushing the flop, it seems that you are too focused on the player that is betting, IMO. Calling on this uncoordinated board allows me to a chance to see what is going on behind me without losing my entire stack. If the action behind me is fierce (as was the case in this hand) then I am able to get away from this hand with 470 of my original 800 chips. While this is a substantial hit, it is not a death sentence.


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I really, really hate calling third of my stack and then fold to a push.

The stack sizes don't allow you to figure out where you stand.

And if you fear a set that much, you should limp with AA and play for set value only.

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For those that would push over the top of the 250 lead on the flop, what am I protecting against?

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When you push and two players after you fold, the original bettor is calling with his AK/KQ. If he had a set, he'd most likely go for check-raise.

He's behind and you push because you want his chips.

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