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#1
06-07-2005, 08:23 AM
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Proper AA turn play?
Or should this only be done on a rainbow paired flop? OR...is this too sophisticated for .50/1? OR... is it ok at .50/1 but only against non-calling stations?
No read on this opponent. Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks. River: (3.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Final Pot: 5.25 BB 
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#2
06-07-2005, 08:28 AM
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Re: Proper AA turn play?
There are a bunch of hands vilian will call a turn bet with, including any 2, any Q, any pocket pair, and any two [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]s. Some villians will call with even less. You basically just gave away a BB on this one.
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#5
06-07-2005, 09:12 AM
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Re: Proper AA turn play?
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[ QUOTE ] Bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Why? [/ QUOTE ]1) You're giving the flush draw a free card otherwise. 2) You probably have the best hand. In any case, checking here doesn't give you any more information because a bet from the opponent on the river could be because he saw weakness + the scare card, or because he actually has a hand.
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#6
06-07-2005, 02:35 PM
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Re: Proper AA turn play?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Why? [/ QUOTE ]1) You're giving the flush draw a free card otherwise. 2) You probably have the best hand. In any case, checking here doesn't give you any more information because a bet from the opponent on the river could be because he saw weakness + the scare card, or because he actually has a hand. [/ QUOTE ] I am a relative newbie and am a little confused about this. If a bet the turn here I am giving my opponent 4.25 to 1 pot odds, which means that they can call my bet properly. Therefore I am not putting them in a position to make a mistake. I would also argue to bet here, but for different reasons. In the flush draw situation you will win this ~4 times out of 5. Therefore over 100 hands you will win 1BB 80 times and lose 1BB 20 time for a net win of 60BB. Of course things get more complicated since villian doesn't necessarily have a flush draw. But your in a situation where you are either way ahead or way behind, and I don't see any reason to think that you are behind. Am I understanding any of this correctly? Please let me know where my mistakes are.
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#7
06-07-2005, 02:39 PM
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Re: Proper AA turn play?
You're right that you opponent is correct to call the turn bet if he's on a flush draw. But he's EVEN MORE correct to see the river for free if you let him.
Your second paragraph is basically the reason why you're betting. HU on the turn, every bet that goes into the pot is +EV for you and -EV for the flush draw. Note that even though it is right for your opponent to call (due to the overlay the pot provides), the turn bet itself is -EV for him. This is one of many, many situations in which you cannot protect your hand, but you should still bet for value.
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#10
06-07-2005, 10:49 AM
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Re: Proper AA turn play?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Why? [/ QUOTE ] A much better question is: why not? [/ QUOTE ] Against a good opponent I know it's proper to check the turn here on a paired RAINBOW board. The reason is if he has trips you avoid the check/raise and call the river losing one bet instead of three. If he has nothing you keep him from folding and he may bluff the river or check/call if he thinks you have nothing. Therefore you gain one bet you wouldn't have gotten. I'm just not sure about a two suit board. Against a good opponent you have to wonder why he would call a flop bet here on this board. Either he hit something or he has an A or K or small pair. If he has an A or K you want to suck one more bet out of him. I guess against a calling station you just go ahead and bet the turn. So the question is: Do I have to go back through my 2+2 books to see if this is proper on a two-suit board or does someone already know? And for anyone that didn't know about this play--now you do.
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