215 blind battle.. what do YOU do?

[raptor517]

***** Hand History for Game 3113966853 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:17822512 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Tuesday, November 29, 02:42:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 67431 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: six2two10 ( $2174 )
Seat 2: Raptor_517 ( $1620 )
Seat 3: SOX1RED ( $1794 )
Seat 4: Pocket33Aces ( $1576 )
Seat 7: tutu22 ( $625 )
Seat 8: StraightPair ( $761 )
Seat 9: nutrol ( $565 )
Seat 10: PINGP3 ( $885 )
Trny:17822512 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Raptor_517 [ Qc 9h ]
>You have options at Table 68279 Table!.
SOX1RED folds.
Pocket33Aces folds.
tutu22 folds.
StraightPair folds.
six2two10: don't be scared pocket
nutrol folds.
PINGP3 folds.
six2two10: when I do call you're done
>You have options at Table 68864 Table!.
six2two10 raises [100].
Raptor_517 calls [75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 6h, 2c ]
six2two10 bets [200].
Pocket33Aces: that's what I'm scared about!!
>You have options at Table 68868 Table!.
Raptor_517 raises [525].
six2two10 raises [650].
Raptor_517 ?

what do YOU do here.. i dont want to hear anyone say fold preflop cuz they suck. thoughts on the raise on the flop are fine as well. holla

[bluef0x]

Well I fold. I don't buy the minraise preflop right away, but that 3rd bet on the flop just smells too much like an overpair and the minbet makes more sense.

Raise on the flop is fine, it's a standard CB and I would think he had two overcards. I believe his reraise

[Irieguy]

I don't think you have any folding equity on the flop.

When you first sent me this hand I was playing 9493720398402 tables and quickly thought I would raise less if I was planning on folding. Now, taking more time, I don't think I would raise the flop. I would smooth call.

If I did raise the flop, I would fold to a re-raise of less than all-in by him. His chip stack is the key. This is one of those very few times in a SNG where top pair is so unlikely to be ahead that you simply cannot call a trap-sized bet from a biggish stack.

But I would say the flop raise is a mistake... and you once told me you never make a mistake in a hand you post. Will you stand by the assertion that your flop raise was the best available choice? Cuz if you do you suck and I'm never talking to you again.

Irieguy

[jeffraider]

fold ship it

[raptor517]

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and you once told me you never make a mistake in a hand you post

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i said i never make a mistake on a response to a post. but ill use it here. i dont feel a flop raise is wrong at all. i found out exactly what i needed to. that he had an overpair. i got away from it and still had 1k chips to work with. i dont hate the flop raise at all. holla

Without a read here I like folding. I also would just call the flop though I can't put into words why I do so, it just feels right.

[bluef0x]

Why smoothcall? I don't play the $215's but the only thing that would justify a call is if at the level players DON'T fire a second barrel a majority of the time. That would mean if he checks- you're ahead and can hopefully take down the pot. If he bets again you lay it down and save yourself the 325 chips... but I find it hard to believe that a second CB wouldn't be made often.

The reraise on the flop told raptor exactly where he was at.. it'll be hard to judge where you are at playing the turn and river if you call, esp if another high card comes up.

[Irieguy]

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i dont feel a flop raise is wrong at all. i found out exactly what i needed to... holla

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Are you sure you had to spend 525 to find out? There was really no better option?

Ok, you have justified quitting school to all the yahoos on this forum. Going back appears to have hurt your intelligence.

Irieguy

[Eevee]

I feel like this is one of the few spots where a miniraise is good. I don't play the 215s, but I think at the lower levels, this is what applies: One option is to call here, which IMO, you get very little information. Once I call, opponent might fire another shell on a blank turn, in which case I would probably fold, but ill never know. The next option is to fold, which seems out of the question cus that is just too weak tight. Finally, you can raise. An all in raise is out of the question for obvious reasons, so it comes down to how much. IMO, a raise of 525 seems too much , as you can get the same info for a cheaper price. Lets say you miniraise: raise 200. So pot is at 650. Its 200 more for opponent to call. If he has AK, he has 8 outs, with 3:1 pot odds. He is screwin himself by calling a miniraise. So if he doesnt call, he will raise allin or fold. The all in seems a bit too aggressive, unless he has some read that you will fold most decent hands there. This is going to probly have to read dependent, but alot opponents, i suspect would probly fold to this miniraise if they had AK. If he has high pair, he is either going all in or reraising you, in which case this is an easy fold after the miniraise. Only thing i haven't really addressed is if he calls the miniraise with the high pair. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Are the the 215s different? Lemme know if this sounds like BS... it is 4:30 AM.

-EV

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[tigerite]

Reluctantly fold, with still having $1k left. You played it fine up til then though.