AJs and KQs in NL

[fsuplayer]

How do you guys normally play these hands from certain position?

If I am one of the better players in the game and havent gone too nuts at the table as of late, I am limping early and raising these mid-late positions. I will play these against a raise if i have position and deep stacks.

I am talking about deeper stacks here, say 150-400BB+ stacks.

comments welcome,

fsuplayer

[bunky9590]

Hey FSU. The stacks better be hella deep and I better have position to play these hands to a raise.

I wont raise KQs unless I'm first in from the CO or later.

AJs Maybe co-1. I much prefer AJs to KQs though.

But both hands in NL are pretty much crap. Good for small pots with position. In EP its a definite limp. If the good majority of the pots are raised, I dump them in EP.

But, game texture and stacks play a big part of it. Nice thread.

[fsuplayer]

If the good majority of the pots are raised, I dump them in EP.

Really?

Then (not that these hands are similar) but are you playing any PP and suited connectors/one gappers from EP?

Is it just the dominated factor as to why you might dump these pf?

I guess I play these quite a bit bc I am quite good at not getting trapped by one pair with them.

maybe i should dump them in tougher LAG games in EP.

I am just trying to iron out some possible wrinkles before I start playing bigger NL again.

Too much limit has me lovin' these hands. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[fsuplayer]

This is kind of an offshoot of the other KQs post in here that got me thinking.

I used to not raise AJs or KQs in MP/LP, but then i picked up Stewert Reuban's "How Good is your PL HOld em?" If you havent read the book, i recommend it as his thought process are very well explained and it is for very high skakes.

anyways, he recommend raising these hands in MP/LP to "get rid of the tourists".

thats why i wanted to start a thread and see some more opinions.

[bunky9590]

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Is it just the dominated factor as to why you might dump these pf?


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Its the dominated factor , but its more of a position thing.

I hate freaking getting raised on a K94 flop with KQ out of position. Not a position I like. I'd rather be the one in position raising. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I guess I play these quite a bit bc I am quite good at not getting trapped by one pair with them.


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So am I. But I don't like spewing chips with them and having to fold under some heat.

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maybe i should dump them in tougher LAG games in EP.



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Thats my default. But in LP I'll play, but I'll keep the pot small.

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Then (not that these hands are similar) but are you playing any PP and suited connectors/one gappers from EP?


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I'll play pretty much any PP in any position even for a small raise out of position, because a set has stacking value. The suited connectors and one gappers go in the muck from EP. Much more likely to flop a draw than made hand. I don't necessarily need the connectors to be sooted in LP, I'd rather get 2 pair or te str8 than the darn flush anyway.

In EP in aggressive games the connectors don't get played until MP/LP. But depends on the stack sbehind me and their propensity to make a raise PF , as well as how they follow up on the flop.

[bunky9590]

I have to get that one. But stew plays high stakes and deep stacks against some good competition.

Someday I may get into those games. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
Maybe we'll get there together.

[fsuplayer]

These points clear up my thinking:

I hate freaking getting raised on a K94 flop with KQ out of position.

But I don't like spewing chips with them and having to fold under some heat.

Looks like I will start limping with these a lot more in med/tough games.

thanks gregg.

[kagame]

are Reubens tourists the same thing as the "sandfleas" they talk about in Pl and NL Poker?
seems like you need to know whos going to fold to these raises and who is going to perpetually call.
you arent going to want any action with KQ/AJ.
why not raise instead with a medium pair, that way if you get reraised by someone with a premium hand it isnt an automatic fold, as you should have implied stack odds if you set. i would tend to agree with bunky in this.
(but of course i havent played any bigger games than 5-10 so i am a bit less experienced with extremely deep stacks. just trying to be helpful based upon the poker authors ive read)

[bunky9590]

Yeah, if I limp them I have no problem dumping them for the minimum initial inestment if the situation is not good.

Just situations I like to avoid in the bigger games. Maybe a little weak tight, but if you have a good player who knows about where you're at he can blow you off a hand when you blink.

[Matt Flynn]

not quite accurate and can be ruinously wrong. did he explain further the nuances and the dangers?

matt