The turn - KK

Isura · #1 12-15-2005, 01:58 PM

Villain is 35/5 in 50 hands. He is typcially not aggressive, but I have been raising his SB a fair bit from the BB.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($27.30)
UTG ($33.45)
MP ($3.65)
Button ($28.65)
SB ($17.77)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($6) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $3.

GrunchCan · #2 12-15-2005, 02:02 PM

If you've seen him bluff before, I'd raise.

If not, given that you didn't really describe him as a rock or extremely passive, I'll probably call that and a smallish river bet. Although I suspect I should fold here.

Mercman572 · #3 12-15-2005, 02:16 PM

Yuck, seems like we are prone to a fundamental mistake in any action we take here:
Calling is incorrect if he has a FD, or J10.
Folding is incorrect if he picked up a FD or is bluffing.
Raising is incorrect if he has anything other than a FD (if he won't call with a naked jack, but will lead river if we cold call)

The lesser of these evils seems to be folding here. C/C lead turn means to me he either hit 2 pair or a flush more often than him trying to draw cheaply or "stand up" with TP. Plus, if we call we potentially compound our mistake if he leads the river.

beavens · #4 12-15-2005, 02:18 PM

why only a 3xBB pf raise?

Isura · #5 12-15-2005, 02:19 PM

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He had been folding to anything more in the SB vs BB controntations. And I raised to 4bb ($1 to go).

beavens · #6 12-15-2005, 02:25 PM

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He had been folding to anything more in the SB vs BB controntations. And I raised to 4bb ($1 to go).

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ah.. converter mustve had some issues.. says you raise TO $.75.. but then the post says there is $2.

deadmoney98 · #7 12-15-2005, 02:28 PM

Yeah, this spot kinda sucks, but I am not folding to that bet. Make him convince you on the river. If he checks a harmless river, bet and expect to be called by a one pair hand.

PoBoy321 · #8 12-15-2005, 05:37 PM

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He had been folding to anything more in the SB vs BB controntations. And I raised to 4bb ($1 to go).

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Not to get into semantics, but a raise TO 4bb is only a 3bb raise.

4_2_it · #9 12-15-2005, 02:33 PM

Well, at least he looks like he's offering a cheap showdown and your hand is worth that. Call turn and a similar 1/2 pot river bet.

These non-aggro villains always underplay their monsters so I wouldn't be surprised to see him underbet his K high flush.

nietzreznor · #10 12-15-2005, 03:18 PM

I would probably call and evaluate on the river. Your hand is too good to fold for a 1/2 pot bet in a HU battle of the blinds.
Would he call a raise with a naked J? Sometimes in this spot (ie, with no K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) I like to raise and fold to a reraise/push, or a large river bet. I really hate letting a 4th club fall on the river and having it either cost you action or the pot.
So, yeah, I would call or raise, depending on image/opponent/etc. I don't think I'd ever fold here though, without a big read.