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12-19-2005, 02:14 PM
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Re: Good Question For Catholics and Others
How would a Big Bang prove anything? Even if true the Big Bang had to come from a cause. Eventually everything comes from an uncaused cause, or God. There can be no such thing as existence without it.
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12-19-2005, 03:06 PM
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Re: Good Question For Catholics and Others
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How would a Big Bang prove anything? Even if true the Big Bang had to come from a cause. Eventually everything comes from an uncaused cause, or God. There can be no such thing as existence without it. [/ QUOTE ] A higher-dimension universe, perhaps. One that has always existed and is not subject to the physical laws of our "sub-universe". This is one of several natural explanations -- the real answer is we don't know ... yet.
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12-20-2005, 10:55 AM
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Even so, that would do nothing to deter the uncaused cause. It just adds links in the chain. [/ QUOTE ] As far as I can tell, there is no inherent contradiction between the big bang and the idea that God created the universe out of nothing. If I understand the theory correctly, at the moment of the big bang the universe was infinitely small. There is no discernible difference between that and "nothing", is there?
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12-19-2005, 04:13 PM
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Eventually everything comes from an uncaused cause, or God. There can be no such thing as existence without it. [/ QUOTE ] There is no evidence that I've been able to track down that there needs to be an initial cause. With time being merely our way of reducing space-time into something meaningful to us, it's hard to see why space-time itself, in however many dimensions it ends up existing needs to be restricted by our before-after thinking about one aspect of it that we concocted luckyme.
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12-19-2005, 04:20 PM
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"There is no evidence that I've been able to track down that there needs to be an initial cause."
And what CAUSES you to think that? The time and space dimension is not applicable in a philosophic debate, only a scientific one which minimizes a concept.
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12-19-2005, 11:53 PM
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With time being merely our way of reducing space-time into something meaningful to us, it's hard to see why space-time itself, in however many dimensions it ends up existing needs to be restricted by our before-after thinking about one aspect of it that we concocted [/ QUOTE ] It's called Time's Arrow, and its not concocted. Ask Stephen Hawking if you don't believe me.
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12-20-2005, 04:13 AM
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It's called Time's Arrow, and its not concocted. Ask Stephen Hawking if you don't believe me. [/ QUOTE ] Hawkings introduced me to positivism, so he's not your man to try and bolster any claim about what is actually going on out there. Here's one of many of his comments - "...and what we call real <time> is just an idea we invent to help us desribe what we think the universe is like." luckyme
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12-19-2005, 07:07 PM
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How would a Big Bang prove anything? Even if true the Big Bang had to come from a cause. Eventually everything comes from an uncaused cause, or God. There can be no such thing as existence without it. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't this an example of one of your miracles, which means you just don't know. chez
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