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Old 07-01-2004, 03:32 PM
esspo esspo is offline
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Default Plugging Leaks

Hello all, I am a longtime lurker who has started playing a lot of PP 10-20 in my spare time. I feel comfortable (mostly) with my play pre-flop, but I would categorize myself as LAG post-flop and have been trying to tighten up considerably. I think my post-flop LAG tendencies result from a desire to do everything possible to win every pot as opposed to win the most money. Hence, the post.

Hand 1: I just sat down and have no reads/notes on any of the players.

UG calls, folded to the button who calls, I raise in the SB with red queens, all call.

Flop: 10 9 5 rainbow.
I bet, BB calls, UG raises, buttong calls, I reraise, BB calls, UG caps, all call.

It has been my experience (albeit limited) that when someone re-raises my raise on the flop it means they usually can beat one pair, but I understand that the PP folk could very easily play A10, JJ or much worse hyper agressively. If this was heads-up I would either check-raise the turn (40%) or go into check call mode (60)%.

Turn: (10 9 5) 9 no flush possible.
I check, BB checks, UG bets, button calls, I muck, BB calls.

River: Brick
Check, bet, call, call.

On the turn, there were 14 BB's in the pot when the action was to me, but the presence of the button and BB calling all of the rasies had me thinking that even if UG didn't have me beat, at least one of them had a 9. Thoughts?

Hand 2: This is bread and butter, but because it is so common I would like your input on my current thinking. I have no reads on any of the players.

Folded to MP1 who calls, MP2 calls, I raise from CU with AKs, folded to BB who calls.

Flop: 10 8 6 (two clubs)
Check, Check, Check, Check (with the plan of check-folding if unimproved on the turn)

My thinking here is that with 4 opponents I am behind here much more often than I am ahead and a bet will not fold anyone with a PP or any peice of the board. Change the number of opponents to two and I would bet (with a hoped for turn bet, river check through if unimproved). Thoughts?

Hand 3:

I open call with 77 in MP2 (debatable?), CU, button, SB and BB come along.

Flop: Q 6 3

Check, check, I bet, call, call, call, fold.

Turn: (Q 6 3) 2
Check, I bet, call, call, fold.

River: (Q 6 3 2) 10
I check, bet, call, I call.

Results to follow.
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Old 07-01-2004, 04:53 PM
Zele Zele is offline
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Default Re: Plugging Leaks

1: I don't like the fold. It sucks that you're 4-handed, and you are not the favorite to have the best hand, but you'll have it often enough to see the showdown the way it is looking. It would be different if you were facing multiple bets. If the bet was one to your right, you'd want to raise to at least cut down the odds of these serial chasers. Sure, you might lose a few bets to a 9, but look at the size of that pot.

2: Seems fine, though again if there's a bet to your right on the turn you should consider raising. If it's checked to you, bet. But checking through the flop is an excellent idea.

3. The limp sucks. Raise or fold (it's a cliche, but 100% right in this case.) Rest of the hand seems fine to me.
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Old 07-01-2004, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: Plugging Leaks

Hand 1: I think you need to bet out on the turn and attempt to figure out where you stand. With no reads on your opponents, I have to assume the typical Party player, which means that AT could easily be out there, along with simple overcards. If you get raised, a fold becomes much easier to swallow. I think that you will make money in the long run by taking this one to showdown.

Hand 2: In the past, I have tended to overplay AKs, especially when in position. I am trying to become a little more conservative in spots like this, so I like the check. You aren't going to move out four players with a bet, so my preference would be to see the turn for free, and go from there.

Hand 3: I like the bet on the turn, but two callers convinces me that I probably have the second best hand. I'm check-folding the river. Put another red number in my middle-pair stats.
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Old 07-02-2004, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: Plugging Leaks

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The limp sucks. Raise or fold (it's a cliche, but 100% right in this case.)

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It's certainly not "100%" right in this case. It is right sometimes for this case (first in with 77 in mid position), depending on game conditions. In a loose-passive game, limping is clearly the best action. Your raise is unlikely to steal the blinds or get it heads up with someone, and you have too good a hand to fold since you are likely to get several other people to come along to the flop and pay you off all the way if you hit, and unlikely to have it raised behind you preflop.
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Old 07-02-2004, 07:27 PM
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I feel comfortable (mostly) with my play pre-flop, but I would categorize myself as LAG post-flop and have been trying to tighten up considerably. I think my post-flop LAG tendencies result from a desire to do everything possible to win every pot as opposed to win the most money. Hence, the post.

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I actually think you are a little loose preflop also. I have played against you frequently. Welcome to the boards although I am a little sad from a selfish standpoint because I now know that your mutitabling arse is soon going to be a lot tougher. PM me if you want and I will send you some hands that I am talking about. I won't post them here unless you want me to.
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