$109: Villian Turn Lead - Page 2

NegativeEV · #11 09-16-2005, 04:27 PM

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I think you know plenty if he calls and gets you heads up.

Raise PF enough to drive out the standard early position limping hands including KQ, which I suspect. If he calls, which is just as telling as him reraising, he probably has better starting than AQ.

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Someone who limps KQ (or similar hand) UTG will call 60 chips more preflop I think. Someone who limps a PP there will call 60 chips more preflop I think. Someone who limps AA will call 60 chips more if it is HU with a LP preflop raiser I think.

I don't think you have much information when he calls preflop. I don't think a preflop raise is wrong, I think its fine- I just don't think the benefit of a preflop raise is gaining more information about UTG's hand often times.

johnnybeef · #12 09-16-2005, 04:49 PM

Considering that you three bet the flop, you showed considerable strength. Upon further review, I think you are behind. Fold this one. I didnt take the three bet into consideration when I made my original analysis.

NegativeEV · #13 09-16-2005, 04:56 PM

I folded (duh). Everyone seems to agree with folding the turn regardless of whether they hate the preflop limp. Anyone call or push the turn?

Oluwafemi · #14 09-16-2005, 05:52 PM

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Four to the flop:
4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ,9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ,Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB bets 15, Villian raises to 70, Hero reraises to 245

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microbet · #15 09-16-2005, 06:07 PM

I like folding. It does seem that raise - just calling a reraise - and then leading out is a strange line and that the King changed things for villian.

microbet · #16 09-16-2005, 06:10 PM

I think a ton of players will call the PF raise even if they were limping with low suited connectors or Ax suited.

NegativeEV · #17 09-16-2005, 06:17 PM

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Four to the flop:
4 ,9 ,Q

SB bets 15, Villian raises to 70, Hero reraises to 245

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Pot is 145 after Villian raises to 70. What does the 245 raise accomplish that a 175 raise does not?

Oluwafemi · #18 09-16-2005, 06:31 PM

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Four to the flop:
4 ,9 ,Q

SB bets 15, Villian raises to 70, Hero reraises to 245

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Pot is 145 after Villian raises to 70. What does the 245 raise accomplish that a 175 raise does not?

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i don't know what it would accomplish for you but for my style of play, i'm looking for it to allow me to win the pot right now instead of proceed to the turn.

NegativeEV · #19 09-16-2005, 06:41 PM

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i don't know what it would accomplish for you but for my style of play, i'm looking for it to allow me to win the pot right now instead of proceed to the turn.

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What hands would you expect to call 175 when pot is 145 but fold for 245? Do you want those hands to fold when the odds are incorrect for them to call?

I'm not being critical I'm trying to understand your thought process.

Oluwafemi · #20 09-16-2005, 06:55 PM

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i don't know what it would accomplish for you but for my style of play, i'm looking for it to allow me to win the pot right now instead of proceed to the turn.

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What hands would you expect to call 175 when pot is 145 but fold for 245? Do you want those hands to fold when the odds are incorrect for them to call?

I'm not being critical I'm trying to understand your thought process.

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on a board with two of the same suit and i'm holding TPTK with two other players in the hand, i want a fold.