3 more reasons why the turn screwplay rules...

NLSoldier · #1 09-13-2005, 10:15 PM

(actually 1 reason, 3 hands)
...it causes poeple to make retarded 3bets.

1)
Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Th (two pair, tens and twos).
UTG doesn't show.
Button has 5h Ac (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.50 BB. 

2)Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (2 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $20.
Hero raises, Button (poster) calls.

Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Results in white below: 
Button has Td Qc (two pair, jacks and tens).
Hero has 2c 2h (two pair, jacks and twos).
Outcome: Button wins 11 BB. 

For those of you who question the free card risk by checking this turn, you have a good point. But the way our HU match had been going I was very confident that he would bet any 2 cards when checked to on this turn.

3)
Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, Button calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Button has 6s 6h (two pair, eights and sixes).
Hero has Ks Kd (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.50 BB.

Evan · #2 09-13-2005, 11:23 PM

What's up with checking the river in hand 3?

NLSoldier · #3 09-13-2005, 11:29 PM

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What's up with checking the river in hand 3?

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Once the 8 paired I really only wanted 1 bet to go in on the river, and I pretty much expected him to bet any hand that he would have called a bet with.

Surfbullet · #4 09-13-2005, 11:39 PM

Calling the turn in hand1 takes some sort of read that I wouldn't have, or some sort of understanding of the affect your shania has on the opposition.

Surf

Victor · #5 09-13-2005, 11:41 PM

it never works for me. i either miss bets or spew. i think it sux.

flawless_victory · #6 09-13-2005, 11:42 PM

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What's up with checking the river in hand 3?

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, and I pretty much expected him to bet any hand that he would have called a bet with.

[/ QUOTE ]this doesnt make any sense. i think hes prob not betting unless he has you beat... but hell call with anything here. even, like, Khigh. v easy bet... that check was a mistake, man.

NLSoldier · #7 09-13-2005, 11:43 PM

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Calling the turn in hand1 takes some sort of read that I wouldn't have, or some sort of understanding of the affect your shania has on the opposition.

Surf

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I wasnt exactly excited to call down after his 3bet, but my read was that he would have raised the flop with a pair, so I went with it.

7ontheline · #8 09-13-2005, 11:46 PM

So screwplay is the sexy for the turn instead of river?

bank · #9 09-13-2005, 11:52 PM

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So screwplay is the sexy for the turn instead of river?

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ya

NLSoldier · #10 09-13-2005, 11:55 PM

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What's up with checking the river in hand 3?

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, and I pretty much expected him to bet any hand that he would have called a bet with.

[/ QUOTE ]this doesnt make any sense. i think hes prob not betting unless he has you beat... but hell call with anything here. even, like, Khigh. v easy bet... that check was a mistake, man.

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hmm, i guess i dont know. i feel like i am never winning if 2 bets go in on the river. and having capped the turn myself, i still dont really know where im at. the 8 was definately a bad card for me. also, if I check he might bluff a busted flush draw taht he couldnt call with. you are right about him calling with A or K high, but he probably doesnt have that unless it was with hearts. i think its pretty close but i could definately be wrong.