Big Jump - From Party $100NL to $1000NL??

[AgileMike]

Need some advice here. I've been beating the Party NL100 game for about $35/100 for over 30K hands. I want to move up, but it seems like the 200/400/600 games have much lower average pots than I'm used to seeing (appx 25% of buyin). The NL1000 game is the only one that's running pot averages at 50% of buyin. I have two questions:

1. Is the NL1000 game significantly harder than the NL100 game?

2. Is a 30K bankroll enough to play the NL1000 gamne?

Thanks in advance for the help.

[Blackjack]

Moving up directly to 1000NL would be a huge mistake.

There are some idiots there but it's a much different game. No longer are you pushing your TPTK against some fool with K7o.

30k is a big enough bankroll for a proven winning player at that level but to skip directly to 100NL is like suicide.

Yes, you might make it and win a few buy-ins - but unless you're ready for the pyschological impact of losing 2-3k instantly.. I'd stick to the 200 NL.

Blackjack

[Usagi_yo]

I'm curious as to your comment that don't push TPTK in these games.

Can you explain? I see alot of heads up action on the flop in these games. I played once, doubled up on AA to a flop of JT2 when player decided he liked his QJ, and then doubled up again when I flopped Gut shot nut straight draw and nut flush draw, lead into flop for 3/4 pot, got called, then turned the nut flush and player decided to put me all in with a smaller flush. It took me about 2 hours to get there and alot alot of folding such that when I did have hands, they thought they would just bet big and get me to fold.

Other then that, the $1000 game scares the crap out of me.

[kagame]

Im having a bit more success with a very aggressive style in the 600 rather than the 400 on party.

In the 600 the limpers are consistently folding to my $35/40 LP raises, will occassionally make big (incorrect) laydowns, and are otherwise easier to push around. This is balanced with the occassional player that will limp call a reraise to $96, which is phenomenal.

Havent been pushed back at yet in this game to date.

The $400 I might make it 20/25 and have 3 or 4 limp calls back to be on a frequent basis. This just makes it difficult to get HU, where higher skill obviously is a higher factor usually. Is this an abnormal experience guys? I may just be running poorly in that game and have it coloring my opinion ( for example: last night 2nd set v top set and then AA cracked the next hand ick)

[flawless_victory]

is the game significantly tougher?
what do you think? YES.
is a 30k BR ok?
i think so... but its close.

[Lucky]

I haven't posted much lately, and not at all on this, so here goes.

The party games are great, obviously. I'm playing more there now than prima or pokerroom

The 600 may be more profitable for me than the 1000. I'm doing well in each, but often, I'm one of the best 1 or 2 players at the 600, this is rarely the case in the 1000.

The second tier of superstar NL players (not prahlad, other known pros, etc.) are in the 1000. They are tricky, they trap, they will rape you will slick when they catch you on AQ. They extract the maximum out of tptk and other marginal hands.

The "huge" pot averages are often reflective of this fact. If you want to move up, play the 400 or the 600. There are solid, straigtforward players and donks; rarely will you run into 3 superstars at the same table.

At the 1000, you'll see what appears to be a donk (vpip 40, pfr 20 over say 500 hands) who's making the fish comfortable and lulling the weak tight pokertrackes worshippers to sleep.

good luck

[Lucky]

And if you do play the 1000, watch out for the aforementionded "maniacs" from places like Stockholm, Linkoping, Malmo, or Not Available.

[fsuplayer]

dont move up. the players there are super aggressive and even the LAGish ones are still pretty good postflop.

not too many idiots playing these games after last week unfortunately.

play the games in between for a while to get used to that.

whats the rush? the av'g pot on the prima 50-100NL game looks great at times, but I aint rushing in.

btw $30k is plenty for a good player, but since you dont have much experiance there, who knows what a good BR may be?

I keep at least $25k on there, but its def. possible to win/lose $5k in two hours. would you be able to handle that mentally?

I was playing the 100NL games up til august and i would have thrown up if i lost 1500 on a hand.

[soah]

You probably already know this, but Party considers uncalled bets to be part of the pot for the purpose of determining the average pot size. So sometimes tables will appear to have very big pots but really it's a lot of aggressive play which results in many large uncalled bets. As you move up the players get more aggressive so this will definitely impact the lobby stats somewhat. Also, some guy moving all-in for $5000 when his opponent only has $200 left will completely screw up the average pot size for that table since that extra $4800 is still counted as part of the pot. So I guess what I'm saying is, don't just look at the table stats and try to make judgements. You need to actually open up a few tables and see how the money is going into the pot -- are there people raising UTG with KJo and going to showdown with top pair? Or is there a lot of action coming from late-position players who are selectively applying pressure?

All that said though, there are many people playing in the 1000s that have flaws in their game at very fundamental levels. For example, I've seen one player who is supposedly winning quite a bit of money limp UTG+1 with Q2s. I've seen people limp UTG with A9s, minraise from MP with ace-rag, and there's even the occasional player that will play damn near every single hand. And that only covers the preflop leaks. You don't need to do anything special to win -- just identify the mistakes that people are making and take advantage.

[gomberg]

The biggest mistakes in this game are from postflop play - these preflop mistakes aren't all that bad really (don't even have to be "mistakes") if they play well postflop.