Raise or call on turn?

[hicherbie]

You wanted to verify that you did well on this hand...
(sorry..but i had to mention it)

id fold the flop and call the turn.

[martinimagic]

Absolutely do not fold this. I think a call is mandatory here. You have a draw to a nut flush and to a straight that will probably win. My guess is UTG has trips and SB I am not sure but probably two pair.

[FlopMe]

I never would have made it to the turn, but if I had: I would call getting 4.25-1 with 9 outs (not counting the Ace.)

Edit: I missed the gutshot outs

[xenthebrain]

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Raise or call on turn?

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fold flop

[Jeff P]

You have outs to call the turn, but I wouldn't raise. You're still on a draw, and on the turn here you don't have the pot equity edge to be betting/raising with the draw. Call the turn, and fold the river UI.

[DMBFan23]

I see your thought process on this hand (Overcard + Backdoor straight + BD flush) but

-the chance of a raise behind you,
-plus the chance that you are dominated (low, but realistic),
-plus your bad relative position if you DO spike a draw,
-plus the chance that your draw will be only a gutshot which will probably neccessitate a fold on the turn

all point to a flop fold IMO

EDIT also do not under any circumstance fold this hand in this situation in this game preflop.

[irishpint]

preflop is fine. with a better A you could call the flop bet, but not here. once that club hits i just call the turn to try and get an overall. if antohe club hits he will bet into you again, then raise it.

[tunnel]

You clearly must fold on the flop.

On the turn, it seems that SB has made two pair. So you have probably about 11 outs to draw out (9 to a flush, 3 more to a straight, minus 1 which could make SB a full house).
So you can't raise for value here (even with three callers) . In addition, you can't drive everybody out of the pot. Call.

[dozer]

This has probably already been said. Oh well.

I would fold the flop here, all you have are a BD flush draw and 1 overcard.

I would call this turn, you now improved to the nut flush draw and a gutshot, you have a lot of outs.

[cgwahl]

Ok, I can see how the flop call is questionable, but thought I was right because of the backdoor flush and straight draws...and very slightly because of the ace. Had the turn not helped me at all I would have definately folded

I suppose I am too aggressive at times (stats on turn are a point higher than flop...bleh) since I ended up raising the turn...looking back, I see now that was a mistake because for one I didn't want it capped back to me and also because I wanted to keep people in.

Bad semi-bluff attempt on my part, but will do better next time.

Will post hand when I get a chance, but they both called, got my flush on river and won the pot...