Party 30+3 - Who's the moron?

[tigerite]

This would be a push if all folded to the 2+2er with A9o, therefore, the dead chips from the small stack push make it more so, not less.

[microbet]

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funny...sgpt says they are equally marginal:

giving you: 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs
he calls w/: 55+,ATo+,A9s+ - with A9o being +.4

giving.............(avg: 66+,ATs+,AJo+, loose: 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+)
BB "average"
SB "loose"
Button "loose"
CO "average'
CO+1 "loose'

you push w/: 22+,A4o+,A2s+,K9o+,K2s+,Q8o+,Q4s+,J8o+,J6s+,T8o+,T 6s+,98o,96s+,86s+,76s,65s - with 76o being +.4


glad u guys made nice at the end

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I can see why caller should use the range you give on top, but it's not quite fair since the range was actually a lot bigger. That's a minor point at best and assumes he has some kind of a good read, which he doesn't or he wouldn't call him a moron.

The bigger problem is that this analysis leaves the 3 people yet to act out of the call decision.

I don't think either play is moronic, but I'm more down with the push. Lorinda 3:16.

[tigerite]

Oh, by the way SB will call with a heck of a lot more than 'loose' range, I would say. BB would be more close to the 'loose' range and SB probably even around 'maniac', look at his stack, the blinds and the amount the OP is pushing..

Who's the moron?
You may choose only one

...... michw
...... anonymous 2+2er
...... Both
..X.. Neither

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[bluefeet]

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The call is marginal assuming that nobody wakes up with a real hand behind you.

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The bigger problem is that this analysis leaves the 3 people yet to act out of the call decision.

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Oh, by the way SB will call with a heck of a lot more than 'loose' range, I would say. BB would be more close to the 'loose' range and SB probably even around 'maniac', look at his stack, the blinds and the amount the OP is pushing..

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I agree. Just thought some numbers might bring to light an option not provided on the pole. Forgot my "range" disclaimer.

[fluorescenthippo]

neither?..so you for not having this as an option [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[GtrHtr]

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My first instinct: The push was marginal but certainly not bad. He was a moran to call.

after SNGPT: The push was marginal but certainly not bad. It was a good call.

I need to learn to call more.

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don't say that, por favor.

[michw]

I'm glad we made nice at the end also. I'm pretty surprised by the SGPT results that show both decisions to be marginal rather than a clear-cut push for me and a clear-cut fold for him. But that's why I posted the hand. I probably push too frequently in these situations (would have probably pushed a worse hand) and don't call enough when the SS are desperate (I muck hands like AJ and 66 pretty frequently in these situations). The few ICM calculations I've ran through have all been done manually so it's probably time to purchase this tool.

[Slim Pickens]

+$EV is +$EV, whether it's pushing 96o or calling with A9.

[jon462]

I am much more inclined to take a turn through the blinds than push junk utg. Id rather call a push by button or SB with junk than push junk utg. Given how often shorties push junk utg, i dont think the call was bad at all. However, he is a moran x10 for calling you a moran, whether he knew you were 2+2 or not. (most especially if he did not)