JJ's shouldnt be tier A 1 hand and why..............

[Emperor]

KQs shouldn't be played from early position? WTH???

Not only am I playing any 2 suited Broadway cards from EP, but I am raising KQo and AJo UTG AND my VPIP is ONLY 14%

Is JJ and TT going to lose a lot more than AA, yup. They are still +EV though

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

JJ is a great hand, but a tough one to play. It has great EV, much more so than QK.

[poker-penguin]

My top most profitable poker tracker hands:

All numbers BB per hand

QQ - 2.78
AA - 2.54
JJ - 2.38

There's 11 other hands between the top 3 and KQs - some of the other pairs, a few suited aces, AKo, and K7s (I was baffled by this one too, but I've flopped big hands on steal raises and been paid off several times and haven't been caught with a loser).

KQs - 0.65

Blah blah sample size blah blah.

[utmt40]

BB per hand for me according to PT.

AA- 4.42
KK- 6.83
QQ- 5.24
JJ- 3.31
KQ- 1.13
KJs- 7.25 (go figure)

[Masquerade]

The problem with JJ is not so much that it isnt a strong hand, its that you cant tell easily if its good as one or two overcards will usually flop.

Picking random hands against it and running simulations to river is one thing but you have to consider live play. Is someone with JJ going to call to river with an A and Q showing and someone showing strength?

In a way it's similar to why Ace-rag is no good. If you run simulations you'll find Ace-rag performs reasonably well, but in a real game where it misses the flop you'll have to fold it to anyone betting a draw even though its the best hand right now.

Conversely JJ and Ace-rag arent bad allin hands in a NL tourney if youre short-stacked as you will go to river.

[sthief09]

you sound like me when I first started. I really wanted to learn and I was trying to apply and test out as much as I could. unfortunately, most of what I "proved" was wrong, already proven, or meaningless. the desire to understand the inner workings of the game will go a long way. just play more than I do, and don't be weird like me.