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#11
03-31-2005, 02:45 PM
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Re: Undervaluing small PPs?
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I don't really care too much if I'm playing for one bet or two before the flop - I'm more interested in making sure there are 3-5 callers in with me padding the pot. [/ QUOTE ] So would I be correct in inferring that you would be more inclined to limp first in in EP than limp first in in MP? What do you generally do if there's 4 folds to you in MP w/ 33? 
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#12
03-31-2005, 02:46 PM
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Re: Undervaluing small PPs?
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Yesterday I discussed a hand here where a UTG+1 who's VPIP was 14% limped first in. A poster who's opinion I respect said that he would expect a 14% VPIP to play suited broadways and any PP from that position (in the hand, UTG+1 limped w/ 44). Last night, playing 10/20 on Party, the play went: UTG raises, 3 folds, MP2 calls (w/33)... After the hand, when I politely mentioned that cold-calling in that position might not have been the most prudent play, several players disagreed with me. A table would have to be pretty loose/passive for me to limp in EP w/ 44 and I would virtually never call a UTG raise 2nd in w/ 33. Am I undervaluing my small pocket pairs? [/ QUOTE ] In my experience the logic of the people who advocate this play goes something like this. "I am a PF favorite against (2) overcards." I think this comes from watching too many NL tournaments on TV, without taking into account the circumstances. The same people who will make this play PF will usually call down to the river with their samll pair.
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#14
03-31-2005, 02:50 PM
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03-31-2005, 03:43 PM
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Re: Undervaluing small PPs?
I think this is a muck as a default play and only if table conditions are special (or maybe you've been running real goot) should you come in here.
There is no way that paying 2 bets at 5/10 or above is profitable as 2nd in. Yes, if you cold-call at some tables, often that will encourage others to cold call. You figure the BB will come in with most hands too so you basically have set value. But as a default play, I want to be the 2nd cold-caller, not the first. The only reason I would think that everyone commented the way they did was because the table was running large pots consistently. I think you need to expect a 10 big bet final pot in order to make this play profitable. Have most pots been running at $200+? More importantly, have EP raised pots been consistently getting to $200+?
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