Stars 45k rebuy hand.

[gobboboy]

This hand happened today. No reads on the villain, but this is a $10 rebuy and play is not spectacular.

PokerStars Game #2799386683: Tournament #13543548, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/10/14 - 00:45:39 (ET)
Table '13543548 144' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: wsopmex (9794 in chips)
Seat 2: Lou0BRP (3776 in chips)
Seat 3: RollinAces18 (26259 in chips)
Seat 4: dewey3122 (37270 in chips)
Seat 5: whojedi (7450 in chips)
Seat 6: killbillyboy (14558 in chips)
Seat 7: okynot (13347 in chips)
Seat 8: Halfrek (9788 in chips)
Seat 9: gobboboy (29034 in chips)
wsopmex: posts the ante 50
Lou0BRP: posts the ante 50
RollinAces18: posts the ante 50
dewey3122: posts the ante 50
whojedi: posts the ante 50
killbillyboy: posts the ante 50
okynot: posts the ante 50
Halfrek: posts the ante 50
gobboboy: posts the ante 50
Lou0BRP: posts small blind 400
RollinAces18: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gobboboy [Kc Qc]
dewey3122: raises 2400 to 3200
whojedi: folds
killbillyboy: folds
okynot: folds
Halfrek: folds
gobboboy: calls 3200
wsopmex: folds
Lou0BRP: folds
RollinAces18: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c Jc 5d]
dewey3122: bets 34020 and is all-in

Wow. Nice overbet. So what do I do? Do I put him on a huge hand and he's trusting me to pay him off? Or does he have a hand that he thinks is better than my missed cards and is trying to get me out?

YOU decide.

[Exitonly]

I fold preflop, i dont like playing KQs to a raise, especially from EP, and especially heads up.

But on the flop i'm torn.. just using EV, for it to be a fold he needs to only do this with AcTc, QQ+. I can't think of any reasonable range that this wouldnt be +EV against.

That said... i still kinda want to fold. But that might just be because i didnt want to play the hand in the first place.

Do you want to gamble, with something like 8 to 14 outs, you are not far from a 50-50... but I would fold and keep a good stck, but if you want to gamble and have a huge stack right now, then do it and gamble.

You Decide, but I would fold.

I fold preflop as well, but on to the flop.. overbets are weird and it really depends on the player, I think he actually does have something, a lot of people in smaller events bet in accordance with their hand, not for value or to extract money.. ie. if someone has aces, they'll push their chips in.. Unorthadox, but common.. happened earlier today when someone pushed 60BB with AA.. and knocked me out as I was perplexed by the play, but in micros it happens.

I repeat the preflop comment.

I'm less hesitant than others to call here. I think you have 15 outs a very large % of the time, and that makes you a 1:1.3 favorite in the hand. No hand gives you less than 6 outs.

[tdomeski]

If you are a good player, fold.

If you are a "bad" player, call.

[Yuv]

Can someone put a range on this overbet? QQ looks the most reasonable. I fold.

[Blindcurve]

Is that "bad" like Michael Jackson "bad" or like Michael Bolton "bad"?

Please clarify.

-D.

[Blindcurve]

Isn't the problem you're getting 1:1 and you don't really know if you're ahead? Assuming your only your flush outs are good, you need twice as much money in there. I don't think you can safely assume your K or Q is good if it hits. I'm really trying to think of a range that pushes here. It be an odd way to play a set. Speculative push with T9 or 76, Ace high (edit: really any) club draw, an overpair with no club, air, AJ. I think the most likely is an overpair or AJ.

I think in light of the fact that you don't know if your overcard outs are clean and you don't have pot odds if they're not and it's your entire stack, it's a fold.

I think I have to agree with folding this preflop barring the raiser being very loose even from EP and then I might have reraised preflop (read dependent though).

Once again with no reads on villian I fold. However if the 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the board was a 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I think it pushes it over to a call since I have a gutshot also. As it's not though and I don't have reads I fold and keep my stack.