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Old 07-21-2005, 10:59 PM
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Default NYC To Start Random Searches of Commuter\'s Bags

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/21/ny...gewanted=print
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Old 07-21-2005, 11:07 PM
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Default Re: NYC To Start Random Searches of Commuter\'s Bags

can't say I agree with that but I guess these things are necessary now.
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Old 07-22-2005, 01:05 AM
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can't say I agree with that but I guess these things are necessary now.


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Holy Germany 1937, Batman!
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Old 07-22-2005, 04:32 AM
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Default Re: NYC To Start Random Searches of Commuter\'s Bags

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can't say I agree with that but I guess these things are necessary now.


Holy Germany 1937, Batman!

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Very clever, just about sums it up, this is another shot in the arm for the terrorist cause, if anything this will encourage them even more.

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Old 07-21-2005, 11:36 PM
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Default Re: NYC To Start Random Searches of Commuter\'s Bags

If anyone objects to this, please tell us how this is different from searching your bags at an airport.

You do not have an absolute right to use the subway or the bus, when you choose to enter a subway station or a bus, they have a right to inspect bags.

No one wants this to be overdone, but it is certainly legal and appropriate for the protection of the public.
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:41 AM
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If anyone objects to this, please tell us how this is different from searching your bags at an airport.



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At an airport everyone gets screened and bags x-rayed. No exceptions. Since that is completely impractical for the NY Transit system, this is going to be a 1/2 assed system of "random" searches. And since they've already come out and given the PC "no profiling" statement, it sure will be useful to have grandma getting strip searched while Joe Mohammed walks by marveling at the Americans' stupidity.
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Old 07-22-2005, 05:15 AM
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Default Re: NYC To Start Random Searches of Commuter\'s Bags

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And since they've already come out and given the PC "no profiling" statement,...

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PC? To me 'PC' means being overly sensitive for the sole reason of avoiding "Hurt Feelings." Aren't they implementing searches "randomly" so as to avoid being sued?
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Old 07-22-2005, 06:12 AM
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Default Re: NYC To Start Random Searches of Commuter\'s Bags

They are talking about searching people on the tube with big bags, complete madness imho loads of tourists, people going to heathrow on the tube etc. Is impossible, better having sniffer dogs riding the tubes than stop and search stuff.
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Old 07-22-2005, 01:04 AM
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If anyone objects to this, please tell us how this is different from searching your bags at an airport.

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One is paid for by the city, one by the public.

That is to say, when I purchase an airline ticket, I'm buying it from United, or Frontier, or wherever. When I buy a metro ticket, I'm buying it from the city or a private authority comissioned by the city to serve the public good (in the case of RTD, here in Denver).

You shouldn't have the right to search bags on the subway for the same reason you shouldn't have the right to search bags in a park, or search a car on a tarry stop.

Edit: Moreover, [censored] all this conversation. If I don't have the right to

A. travel freely without being searched by my government.
B. be a member of a religion of my choice without being thoroughly investigated an harrased by my government (in this case, Islam).
C. habeas corpus (by being labeled an "enemy combattant")
D. A speedy trial (see C vis a vis Jose Padilla and Kevin Mitnick).

then honestly, what is worth defending?

What are we fighting for? Is it so that I don't have to grow a beard before I play Gran Turismo? What rights am I so worried about that are worth giving up the above?

Or is it that I have nothing to worry about...so long as I'm doing nothing wrong.
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Old 07-22-2005, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: NYC To Start Random Searches of Commuter\'s Bags

Good post.
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