River Bluff?

KaneKungFu123 · #1 09-09-2005, 03:30 PM

No Read on Villian. What line do you normally take on the Turn?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) converter

Hero ($4828)
UTG ($2000)
MP ($2062.30)
Button ($2177)
SB ($1004)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
1 fold, MP raises to $60, 2 folds, Hero calls $40.

Flop: ($130) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $85, Hero raises to $170, MP calls $85.

Turn: ($470) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $225, Hero calls $225.

River: ($920) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $325, Hero calls $1650(All-In)

FeelGoodAboutHood · #2 09-09-2005, 03:45 PM

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What line do you normally take on the Turn?

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I probably lead the turn for about 60% on the turn, especially after check-raising the flop. If he raises you after that, I think it's an easy fold. If he calls, I hope the river goes check-check.

With no read I think the river is a fold, but I think the raise is obviously preferrable to check-calling.

ahnuld · #3 09-09-2005, 03:47 PM

Looks like you're trying to represent a set. If this is how you play a set, I like it alot. If you would bet your set again on the turn, then only a very weak opponent will fold. I think you are bluffing on the river, but he may down the AJ AQ AK hand he has.

lapoker17 · #4 09-09-2005, 03:53 PM

Your line looks too weird to be many legit hands - c/r flop, check/call turn, c/r river - I just don't know when that would add up to any real hand. The 4 is your bluff card - why not make a big move on the turn?

James282 · #5 09-09-2005, 03:55 PM

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Looks like you're trying to represent a set. If this is how you play a set, I like it alot. If you would bet your set again on the turn, then only a very weak opponent will fold. I think you are bluffing on the river, but he may down the AJ AQ AK hand he has.

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I don't get this response. How the heck does the villain know how we play a set?
-James

HoldEmKillah · #6 09-09-2005, 03:56 PM

Representing the straight isn't very believable since you called OOP preflop and c/r'd the flop. I don't think you would cc the turn with set also. So I don't think the c/r river is very convincing. Even so, you should be able to get AQ or weaker to fold and MAYBE AK. I think it may work but isn't optimal.

I think a better line is leading weak on the turn, hope to get raised and then 3-bet like a muthaf'r. That's much more convincing IMO. You should get AK to fold enough times to make it +EV using that line instead IMO.

ahnuld · #7 09-09-2005, 04:00 PM

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Looks like you're trying to represent a set. If this is how you play a set, I like it alot. If you would bet your set again on the turn, then only a very weak opponent will fold. I think you are bluffing on the river, but he may down the AJ AQ AK hand he has.

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I don't get this response. How the heck does the villain know how we play a set?
-James

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Becuase this is the 2k game and we can assume villan isnt a total donk and observes us. I dont know about you but I have a fairly good idea when a regular in my 400nl game has a set or not.

James282 · #8 09-09-2005, 04:01 PM

He said he has no read on the villain, so I assume the villain has no read on him.
-James

TheCodeDog · #9 09-09-2005, 04:58 PM

Does that really follow?

Prevaricator · #10 09-09-2005, 04:59 PM

looks more like A7 than a set IMO.

not that it matters though.