400bb overbet (complete LC brag)

[thatpfunk]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($152.57)
UTG ($248.27)
MP ($35.75)
CO ($61.75)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($799.50)</font>
<font color="#C00000">SB ($1247.97)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $19</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $12.

Flop: ($42) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $60</font>, SB calls $35.

Turn: ($162) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $50</font>, Hero calls $50.

River: ($262) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $70</font>, SB calls $599.50.

Final Pot: $931.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Ad Ah (two pair, aces and threes).
Hero has Kc Ks (full house, kings full of threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $931.50. </font>

[fathertime]

sweet

[TheWorstPlayer]

I know this is an LC post and okay, nice. But from the few recent hands you've posted, I think you play all of your hands too slow. This was definitely played too slow. You should not have to make such a big raise on the river. And you would have kicked yourself really hard if another heart fell on the river.

[thatpfunk]

twp,
stacks are quite deep and villian is quite the wide open player. him having a turned flush was not out of the question.

if i raise and face a push on the turn i have to gouge out my eyes.

im curious as to what line you would take.

(and i would also say that your generalization is unfounded simply becuase it is based off of two hands, both of which were played after 400+ hand sessions with the villians)

[TheWorstPlayer]

My comment was not unfounded. It was, as I clearly stated, founded on the few recent hands you've posted. In any case, in this hand, let's start with the fact that on the flop, with the nuts, against what is very likely to be AA or AK you raise $35 in a $92 pot. As you say, there are deep stacks. Money that goes in on the flop gets multiplied on future streets since the pot is larger.

You say that he is a wide open player so he could have a flush draw on the flop. He could also have AA/AK for sure. He could probably also have an underset. Anything else is most likely folding to a raise. So it doesn't matter what size raise we make in that case. But against AA/AK/underset/flush draw we sure as hell want to raise more than 1/3 pot!

[beavens]

isnt the new Bad Beats, Brags &amp; Variance forum perfect for this post? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[TheWorstPlayer]

Despite the title, there is actually incredibly important content in this post.

[xorbie]

3-betting PF is definitely a consideration. Would have sucked considering results, but yeah.

[wdeadwyler]

Agaisnt a known, I dont mind the smooth call preflop, I am c/r a NON Ace flop. As played, I would JACK THE FLOP UP BIGTIME. 80 to go.

Turn is tough. If he lead bigger, I would have no idea what to do. As played, the turn is confounding. Its hard to know where you are. He could have AA and be pricing himself in with heartdraw, in which case you want to raise, or he could have the nuts, in which case you would want to call.

Because you didnt a)3bet preflop (which is ok from time to time, but 80% not ok), or b) Raise more on the flop, i think you have a tough decision. As played, I GUESS I would just call the turn and see what he did from there, but you could make a strong case for raising the turn.

River seems like a clear value raise.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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I would JACK THE FLOP UP BIGTIME. 80 to go.

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This is a $55 raise in a $92 pot. You guys need to really think more about your raise sizes. I would make it $125 to go and then push the turn or $100 to go on flop, pot turn, push river.