... No Ace No Ace... Hmmm, an Ace

bigt439 · #1 10-26-2005, 09:41 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter

BB (t980)
UTG (t3155)
MP1 (t350)
MP2 (t1035)
CO (t2170)
Hero (t835)
SB (t1475)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, CO raises to t100, Hero raises to t275, 2 folds, CO calls t175.

Flop: (t625) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets t50, Hero calls t50.

Turn: (t725) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets t325, Hero ?

Kind of a weird hand. Comments on all streets appreciated. Thoughts to follow. No real reads. Starting to 8-table, so reads are a little harder to come by.

Hornacek · #2 10-26-2005, 09:44 AM

I'm either folding or raising that flop. I need more information.

kevstreet · #3 10-26-2005, 09:46 AM

The flop bet of 50 into 600 is a little weakish, I may have raised. If he calls I proceed w/ caution, if he re-raises I let it go. Boy, doesn't it seem that the Ace comes every time when you have Kings.

bigt439 · #4 10-26-2005, 09:50 AM

I want to say right now that I absolutely hate a flop raise. Doesn't mean I'm right, but man I don't like it.

splashpot · #5 10-26-2005, 10:17 AM

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I want to say right now that I absolutely hate a flop raise. Doesn't mean I'm right, but man I don't like it.

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Really? I think the flop raise is the cheapest way to see if he has an ace or not. By just calling, you almost announce to him that you don't have an ace. His turn bet could mean a wide variety of things. And it is now very expensive to see if he's got that ace.

tigerite · #6 10-26-2005, 10:17 AM

I'd just push preflop to be honest. You'll be called loads of times by stuff you have smashed. Especially by a t2170 stack.

And if not, well, I'll take the t175 in the pot, and thanks very much for coming. It is after all over 20% of your stack.

splashpot · #7 10-26-2005, 10:20 AM

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I'd just push preflop to be honest. You'll be called loads of times by stuff you have smashed. Especially by a t2170 stack.

And if not, well, I'll take the t175 in the pot, and thanks very much for coming. It is after all over 20% of your stack.

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Maybe if the villian's original raise had been 3xBB then yea, push. But I don't like pushing after his minraisee. I don't think it's extracting maximum value. Although I admit 275 is a bit weak. Something like 350-400 is good.

durron597 · #8 10-26-2005, 10:24 AM

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I'd just push preflop to be honest. You'll be called loads of times by stuff you have smashed. Especially by a t2170 stack.

And if not, well, I'll take the t175 in the pot, and thanks very much for coming. It is after all over 20% of your stack.

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tigerite · #9 10-26-2005, 10:24 AM

Normally people who have t2170 by level 3 are donks. (Not always, I know, but it tends to be one LAG that's got lucky) if this is the case, what does a push by you register as in his mind?

"AK or AQ, I have AK/small pair, I call"

That's the main reason I'd do it, because of the guy's stack size. Obviously if he's proven to be a sensible player who's acquired his chips normally, then ok, a raise to 350 or whatever would be better. Just understand that raising that much means you're putting the rest in on the flop/turn even if an Ace comes.

fnord_too · #10 10-26-2005, 10:31 AM

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I'd just push preflop to be honest. You'll be called loads of times by stuff you have smashed. Especially by a t2170 stack.

And if not, well, I'll take the t175 in the pot, and thanks very much for coming. It is after all over 20% of your stack.

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Yeah, I just shove it in here pre flop, too. Hero's stack is just a bad size for making a reraise that isn't all in.