Turn play for 2 TT hands

Mathieu · #1 06-29-2005, 08:33 PM

Here are 2 TT hands from last night. I am interested in hearing your thoughts on the turn play. Feel free to comment on the river play as well. Thanks in advance [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-- bet TT with no outs on 4th street

Reads: All 3 are LP and fairly straightforward. They don't need much of a hand to call a single bet on the flop.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

They all called again! It is now more likely that I am behind I guess.

River: (10 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Here I am thinking I was correct to keep firing on the turn given my opponents'looseness (wide range of hands) and the action on the flop. My hand is also vulnerable and I want to fold overcards.

The river play is more tricky, if I was last to act I might check behind since them calling the turn gives me more reasons to believe I am beat.

I bet because I thought it was sufficiently likely that one of them would call me with a weaker hand. I also thought that the player left to act would be likely to bet a J (or better) but check behind with a "calling" hand.

-- checked TT with outs on 4th street

Reads:

MP1: Only seen him for about 15 hands so far, and he hasn't done anything that caught my attention yet.

MP3: LP, makes ridiculous calls on the flop.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Here I am not to worried about MP3 calling as he could have anything.

Turn: (6 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

One more over, but this one gives me up to 8 outs. (a T would scare me) I decided to check because, I would have had to call a check raise since I had outs.

River: (6 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

My check on the turn showed weakness so I have to call what could be just a busted draw (given 7-1).

Final Pot: 8 BB

I think, checking the turn was probably a mistake, because my opponents are loose, there are only 2 of them, and they could have called with a lot of weak hands on the flop. I failed to protect my hand and collect bets were I was likely to be still ahead. Also, betting the turn would have set up a free showdown in case a blank falls on the river.

I was worried about a check raise for no good reasons since one of my opponents was passive and would have required a strong hand (unlikely) to check raise.