Bally's AC Floor: Live Straddles prohibited by NJ Gaming Commission???

[richmhv]

Atlantic City is much more regulated than Las Vegas. It has actually gotten better over the years though. They used to have a rule that chips could only be purchased at a gaming table and that is how it was with poker back in the 90's. Dealers were constantly asking for fills. I was surprised to find this rule gone when I returned there to play in the last couple of years. Other oddities include the abscence of a drop box for the rake, it just goes back in the dealer tray which is fixed and does not travel with the dealer as I've seen at Turning Stone. Also in the house games area, all blackjack must be dealt face up from a shoe and you cannot bet cash, it must be first changed for chips.

[Durs522]

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Also in the house games area, all blackjack must be dealt face up from a shoe...

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This is not true.

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Also in the house games area, all blackjack must be dealt face up from a shoe

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Not sure that I believe this, but I understand AC casinos cannot prohibit card counting. (I'm sure they make up for that by leveraging other rules in the house's favor, like restricting what you can split and double down.)

[CORed]

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Also in the house games area, all blackjack must be dealt face up from a shoe

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Not sure that I believe this, but I understand AC casinos cannot prohibit card counting. (I'm sure they make up for that by leveraging other rules in the house's favor, like restricting what you can split and double down.)

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If I am not mistaken, Atlantic City casinos are not allowed to throw you out for counting, but they can restrict you to a fixed bet size, or move the cut card to half the shoe, either of which will eliminate your advantage.

[richmhv]

You are correct, AC cannot bar counters. That's how we got the 8 deck game. Originally all the rules such as no resplit and double after split were standard NJCC rules. There is a little more flex in the rules recently but overall the game is the same from one casino to another, very unlike Nevada where the casinos have a great deal more freedom about blackjack rules

[Luv2DriveTT]

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Other oddities include the abscence of a drop box for the rake, it just goes back in the dealer tray which is fixed and does not travel with the dealer as I've seen at Turning Stone. Also in the house games area, all blackjack must be dealt face up from a shoe

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U need to get out to see the world more, Turning Stone is not the center of the universe. Many casinos don't have a drop box for the rake, its not that odd. Also the dealers cards are not delt face up as you claimed.

MaxPower, Mosch, and myself decided to get drunk and play every hand when Resorts opened it's poker room (actually not a room, it was a roped off area) last spring. The floor there told us a live straddle was legal in Atlantic City, but the floor people at their competitors claim it was not for their own reasons while blaming it on Casino Control. I don't know if he was correct, but I can tell you I was a lot of live straddles in that game.

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[slickpoppa]

They don't allow live stradles at the Borg, and the floor person there said it was because of the NJGC.

[mosch]

I definitely posted my share of live straddles in that game.

I tried to google up the actual rules, but only found proposed rule changes.

[chucksim]

Glad to see they are changing the rule that was being enforced (albeit briefly) this year where they couldn't announce "Open Seating".

After it was discussed on here, I noticed early this summer that they weren't doing it at Borgata, and then on a more recent trip, I noticed the announcements again. Guess the interpretation changed, which is why I'm glad they are clearing that up in the rules. It was just stupid not to be able to say "Open seating at 10/20" after you've emptied the list.

[richmhv]

In blackjack, I was referring to the players cards. Face down "pitch" games such as were once common in Nevada were never legal in AC. The Golden Nugget got fined something like 20K for dealing one by special request and that led to Steve Wynn leaving AC to build the Mirage.