KK - free showdown with A on board? - Page 3

gopnik · #21 12-05-2005, 04:21 PM

I like the turn raise. If another spade comes BB will probably check and hero won't make 2 bets on the river.
Turn raise can fold an Ax, not often, but can. The board got really scary on the turn. If hero improves, he'll make another BB (or sometimes even 2) on the river by betting.
With this board on the turn hero is getting a free showdown most of the time.

#22 12-05-2005, 05:22 PM

Typically in these situations, the goal is to get to the showdown as cheap as possible. It might have been possible that calling the turn would have gotten me a free showdown ayway, due to the nature of the board.

#23 12-05-2005, 05:42 PM

Excellent discussion, and thanks again to the participants.

I think that either raising the flop, or calling down the whole way were the best lines.

Villian shows 88 (no spade) and MHIG.

BWebb · #24 12-05-2005, 06:14 PM

I'm having trouble figuring out why raising the flop is good.

#25 12-05-2005, 06:21 PM

If I was going to raise somewhere, I think it should have been the flop.

BWebb · #26 12-05-2005, 06:27 PM

So you are saying you should have raised the flop? Or, if you are going to raise, it should be on the flop?

#27 12-05-2005, 06:34 PM

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So you are saying you should have raised the flop? Or, if you are going to raise, it should be on the flop?

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The latter.

What do you think is best?

BWebb · #28 12-05-2005, 06:53 PM

You have too much hand to consider folding HU against this opponent. So, what is the best way to get to showdown? Raising the flop is very bad, imo. If you are ahead, you don't have to worry about too many outs against you (except a flush draw, obviously). However, there is a very good chance the raise makes him fold a hand with very few outs. If behind, you are charging yourself the max to get to showdown. I call, call, call unless I improve.

shark6 · #29 12-05-2005, 07:12 PM

In a nutshel:

Raising this hand costs you bets when you're ahead.
Raising this hand costs you bets when you're behind.

Emmitt2222 · #30 12-05-2005, 07:13 PM

WA/WB, call down. I don't really care for when people post a bunch of hands at once. A turn raise would only be good if you thought he was drawing a large majority of the time and that he would't threebet with less than an ace. Then you get a free showdown. In this case, he hit his flush if he was drawing so I don't like the turn raise.

I just realized this is 1/2. If this were a more advanced hand I would say it would belong here, but I don't think this does. How did you get so many posts and yet you still post 4 hands at 1/2 in SS.