Top pair, flush draw, BDSD against LAG

kross · #1 08-30-2005, 06:19 PM

MP is a LAG, 78/20/1.6 after about 100 hands. Earlier he cracked my aces with Q9o by capping preflop, capped the flop with straight draw, and hit on the river. He will bet every time someone checks to him.

Button is typical Party loose-passive.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP 3-bets, Button calls, Hero caps, BB calls, MP calls, Button calls.

MP would raise preflop with almost any hand containing a face card. I figure he probably doesn't have a better J, or any J for that matter. Maybe he got lucky and flopped two pair or a set, but I think he raises preflop with any pair. A straight draw is also likely, 87 or maybe T8.

Button could be calling with a wide range of hands, I'm going to assume I have him beat.

Turn: (10 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP raises, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, MP calls, Button calls.

Too much? Just enough? MP could be playing hard with almost anything, his aggression doesn't necessarily mean I'm beat, and I still have up to 14 outs if I'm behind. I figure button is just dead money to pad the pot with my extra raises.

River: (19 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP calls, Button raises, Hero calls, MP folds.

I figured there were a wide range of hands button could be calling down with, but his raise looks like he was calling down with a flush draw. Hopefully not a higher flush...

Final Pot: 24 BB

aces_dad · #2 08-30-2005, 07:03 PM

Flop is fine, you've got TPDK and a very good flush draw here, so you're raising for value.

The turn 3bet is marginal, but given your read on MP and button's overlay I can see this being okay.

Button's raise on the river is a little scary so I can see just calling here vs 3betting. He's representing the flush, and if it was an Ahigh flush I think we'd have seen something on the flop from him, but even a K/Q high flush can beat you here, so I can see why you'd just call down here. Against MP I'd 3bet/call the cap on the river.

tyler_cracker · #3 08-30-2005, 07:06 PM

I like the flop. You have a lot of equity, 3 callers, and likely the best hand right now.

Given your read, i like the turn. Button is almost certainly drawing (and you share one of his draws), so he does pad the pot.

The river is good. At first, i thought about 3-betting to try and knock villain out, but villain doesn't look like much of a threat, so we're happy to have him overcall. I also thought that we are ahead of button (who is unlikely to have us on diamonds, given the preceding action, and who will raise with any two diamonds). However, there aren't a lot of connected/one-gapped diamonds left in the deck for us to beat: 87, 75, 54, 43, 32. It's more likely he has something like Ax or Kx. Thus, i think the call is correct.

NH!

numeri · #4 08-30-2005, 07:09 PM

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Button's raise on the river is a little scary so I can see just calling here vs 3betting. He's representing the flush, and if it was an Ahigh flush I think we'd have seen something on the flop from him, but even a K/Q high flush can beat you here, so I can see why you'd just call down here. Against MP I'd 3bet/call the cap on the river.

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Just wanted to comment that we most likely would not have heard from Button as he/she is described as "typical loose-passive".

This certainly looks like an A-high FD, but I think we'll see an oddly played set, two-pair or crappy straight often enough to pay off the raise. I don't see us being good often enough to 3-bet.

aces_dad · #5 08-30-2005, 07:12 PM

I don't like a 3bet on the river either. I also think it's more common to see the 4 to flush nut draw bet/raise the flop than is typically given credit to here, even from a 'passive' player.

Saint_D · #6 08-30-2005, 09:01 PM

Bet the river for value. Any 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s will raise you here. Especially since you are representing a made hand from the flop.

You also might fold a Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

kross · #7 08-30-2005, 09:08 PM

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Bet the river for value. Any 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]s will raise you here. Especially since you are representing a made hand from the flop.

You also might fold a Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

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Are you saying 3-bet the river? Or lead the river?

Are you saying a Q-high flush will fold?