Caesars Palace 1-2: Deep stacks, Maniacal Bettor, 66 on a K,4,3 flop

[happyjaypee]

Before reading others responses, I'd say raise min to 140$. Granted this is a sucker move, but your image right now is a weak-tight one. If is is like you said, a thinking player, he'll probably analyse that the weak tight player (you) just hit trip king. I think you win it right there every time he does'nt have a K or better, plus he might fold a bigger pp.

Also, he'll push only when you are obviously beaten so you save money compared to a bigger (or all-in) raise, witch would have the same effect as a min raise if he does'nt have a K or better but would cost you more when he does have it.

BTW, I totally hate the min raise move, I can count on two hands the number of time I do it a year... But right now, I think it as some good value

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[Fallen Hero]

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Before reading others responses, I'd say raise min to 140$. Granted this is a sucker move, but your image right now is a weak-tight one. If is is like you said, a thinking player, he'll probably analyse that the weak tight player (you) just hit trip king. I think you win it right there every time he does'nt have a K or better.

Also, he'll push only when you are obviously beaten so you save money compared to a bigger (or all-in) raise, witch would have the same effect as a min raise if he does'nt have a K or better but would cost you more when he does have it.

BTW, I totally hate the min raise move, I can count on two hands the number of time I do it a year... But right now, I think it as some good value

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you only adressed the times you're behind

[happyjaypee]

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Before reading others responses, I'd say raise min to 140$. Granted this is a sucker move, but your image right now is a weak-tight one. If is is like you said, a thinking player, he'll probably analyse that the weak tight player (you) just hit trip king. I think you win it right there every time he does'nt have a K or better.

Also, he'll push only when you are obviously beaten so you save money compared to a bigger (or all-in) raise, witch would have the same effect as a min raise if he does'nt have a K or better but would cost you more when he does have it.

BTW, I totally hate the min raise move, I can count on two hands the number of time I do it a year... But right now, I think it as some good value

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you only adressed the times you're behind

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no I did'nt:
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I think you win it right there every time he does'nt have a K or better


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and I have edited my original post (before reading yours) whit:
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, plus he might fold a bigger pp.


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[Fallen Hero]

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Before reading others responses, I'd say raise min to 140$. Granted this is a sucker move, but your image right now is a weak-tight one. If is is like you said, a thinking player, he'll probably analyse that the weak tight player (you) just hit trip king. I think you win it right there every time he does'nt have a K or better.

Also, he'll push only when you are obviously beaten so you save money compared to a bigger (or all-in) raise, witch would have the same effect as a min raise if he does'nt have a K or better but would cost you more when he does have it.

BTW, I totally hate the min raise move, I can count on two hands the number of time I do it a year... But right now, I think it as some good value

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you only adressed the times you're behind

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no I did'nt:
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I think you win it right there every time he does'nt have a K or better


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and I have edited my original post (before reading yours) whit:
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, plus he might fold a bigger pp.


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that's not a very indepth analyses of the times we're ahead [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] wich isn't good since we're ahead here most of the time

[happyjaypee]

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that's not a very indepth analyses of the times we're ahead wich isn't good since we're ahead here most of the time


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The poster stated that the vilan is a maniac but thinking player. That he go out of his way to make continuation play but, he also is capable of folding when the pot gets big and it is obvious he is behind.

As I said before, raising more then min does'nt acomplish anyting more then just raising min, and calling him down will cost more then the min raise to find out if we are beat, plus it will often give him 6 live overcard outs, twice, to beat us.

Those overcard outs are the big diference between calling him down whit TPTK and a small pocket pair. compare AT whit 66 on T54r flop, whit AT, he need to have KQ, KJ or KJ to have 6 outs twice. VS 66, any two 7 or above will do.

That's why I stick to TWP opinion on calling down whit TPTK but would try to whit it right there whit minimum risk whit a small pp when I got a high % of chance to be ahead but my opponenet must have redraws. Also keep in mind that our image and our perception of the vilan are crucial in this specific hand. I repeat That I don't advocate this move as a standar play, but I still think it as some value here, vs him.


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[happyjaypee]

After going throw the thread, the discution seems to have diverge too calling down whit TPTK. On that matter, I agree whit TWP.

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